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Old 08-29-2008, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I never said they weren't. I have also known when in AZ the attrocity done to the mexican people. shot, raped, killed etc.
Were these "atrocities" perpetrated by other illegals or legal citizens? I can't imagine La Raza, et al. not publicizing these acts of violence against the “immigrant” community.
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If you could please define Mexican in your posts it would help. Hispanic Americans are just that Americans. Mexicans are from Mexico and if in the US are the ones we are concerned about if they are here illegally.

Originally Posted by chey2u
I never said they weren't. I have also known when in AZ the attrocity done to the mexican people. shot, raped, killed etc.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I never said they weren't. I have also known when in AZ the attrocity done to the mexican people. shot, raped, killed etc.
Usually by other Mexicans or coyotes (most of them are of at least Mexican background).
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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Why are still so much people out on the streets doing protest in order to bait illegals then? They should be standing outside of the gates of the white house-- not in places where they aren't heard. I don't think I've ever seen a video with people protesting illegal immigration outside the gates of the white house.
People baiting illegals? Are you serious? Let us think back to when this so called 'illegal baiting' began. It was the day without illegals, I believe where the nation was treated to thousands of illegals, marching in the street waving the Mexican flag proudly while demanding their american rights.
Now, when there is an antiillegal protest, that is called baiting? Are there people flying the Mexcian flag upside down?
I have no doubt there are racists in the illegal debate, but never assume that everyone is anymore then I would assume everyone that is brown is an illegal.
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:59 PM
 
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In a perfect world, that would be great. In this world, however.....we don't have room for the millions, hell the billions of people that would like to live here. If we bordered China, can you imagine the mass on foot immigration that would take place? How do we choose between economic hardship and genocide? Political persecution and religious persecution?
We need immigration regulations...we need to be able to put a number on how many are let in, and what type of people we let in such as refugees, or people with skills that are needed. To have an open door policy may seem like the kind hearted thing to do, but in the long run we are really hurting everybody.
Maybe we should have a moratorium on immigration so that we can figure this one out, because what we have now is not working.
I agree with you. Many of us go to Nogales Mexico to help them there.
There are families that live at the dump, we take food, clothing, medical supplies and bedding. A different group goes every day except one.
They are working on building a school. We also take toys for the children, soccer is popular in Mexico, so soccer balls are a hit. We were able to get a physician to give the children their shots. It is like Christmas to them when we show up and they are so grateful, they have tears in their eyes and the children just keep hugging you. So we are not using money from anyone but ourselves. I wish we could do more but every bit is helping, and just seeing a smile on a childs face is worth it.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:09 PM
 
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I agree with you. Many of us go to Nogales Mexico to help them there.
There are families that live at the dump, we take food, clothing, medical supplies and bedding. A different group goes every day except one.
They are working on building a school. We also take toys for the children, soccer is popular in Mexico, so soccer balls are a hit. We were able to get a physician to give the children their shots. It is like Christmas to them when we show up and they are so grateful, they have tears in their eyes and the children just keep hugging you. So we are not using money from anyone but ourselves. I wish we could do more but every bit is helping, and just seeing a smile on a childs face is worth it.
I know of a woman who is living in Mexico, and she volunteers at a nearby orphanage. She posted pix, it is incredible the conditions children live in so close to home. I'll see if I can find out what part of Mexico she is in, if it is in Nogales I'll let you know.

btw, how can our country dare criticize china for human rights violations while pretending not to see what is happening in Mexico? Despicable.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:17 PM
 
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I know of a woman who is living in Mexico, and she volunteers at a nearby orphanage. She posted pix, it is incredible the conditions children live in so close to home. I'll see if I can find out what part of Mexico she is in, if it is in Nogales I'll let you know.

btw, how can our country dare criticize china for human rights violations while pretending not to see what is happening in Mexico? Despicable.
Please do. I went to an orphange years ago and just one woman taking care of all these children. We brought food there too, but I just had to get a huge sack of suckers for the little ones. I held every baby there.
I don't know how that woman managed it, but she sure deserved credit.
This orphange was in Nogales.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:20 PM
 
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[quote=camping!;5053552]People baiting illegals? Are you serious? Let us think back to when this so called 'illegal baiting' began. It was the day without illegals, I believe where the nation was treated to thousands of illegals, marching in the street waving the Mexican flag proudly while demanding their american rights.
Now, when there is an antiillegal protest, that is called baiting? Are there people flying the Mexcian flag upside down?
I have no doubt there are racists in the illegal debate, but never assume that everyone is anymore then I would assume everyone that is brown is an illegal.[/quote]

Try telling that to 80% of the people on this forum.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:22 PM
 
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I agree with you. Many of us go to Nogales Mexico to help them there.
There are families that live at the dump, we take food, clothing, medical supplies and bedding. A different group goes every day except one.
They are working on building a school. We also take toys for the children, soccer is popular in Mexico, so soccer balls are a hit. We were able to get a physician to give the children their shots. It is like Christmas to them when we show up and they are so grateful, they have tears in their eyes and the children just keep hugging you. So we are not using money from anyone but ourselves. I wish we could do more but every bit is helping, and just seeing a smile on a childs face is worth it.

There are a number of groups doing that in Ciudad Juarez but some are starting to chicken out due to the level of violence there.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:23 PM
 
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There are a number of groups doing that in Ciudad Juarez but some are starting to chicken out due to the level of violence there.

It happens in most major cities through out Mexico.
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