U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:21 AM
 
47,576 posts, read 58,829,832 times
Reputation: 22174

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Californio View Post
Mexicans tolerate gangs killing people? Do we as Americans tolerate our gangs killing people? I certainly don't, and I hope you don't as well. Afterall, what's fueling this drug war? Why are Mexican cartels trying to get their drugs to America? Supply and demand. And you have the guts to talk about Mexican society and low morals. Por favor.
And yes -- I would say not only tolerated but admired, glorified them.

El Rey de Los Cielos, Jefe de los Jefes, songs praising individual drug kingpins that became very popular, sold many CDs. Lumberto Quintero -- songs, music- the whole bit that certainly looks like admiration. Even a patron saint of narcotrafficking with people coming to pay homage to his shrine. Probably not all people ran out and bought the music of the narco bands but a significant number certainly do.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:22 AM
 
1,417 posts, read 855,075 times
Reputation: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
If they really believe it's the fault of the USA, then why aren't they working to get up a border and some enforcement of it?

What do you think the Mexican military on the border is doing? wow.

Sorry but that doesn't cut it -- a drug addict does not force a drug trafficker to sell drugs. Mexicans got into that from sheer greed, they did not care about the misery they brought many Americans who lost loved ones to drug addiction. Just like the crystal meth colored to look like candy that Mexicans are now pushing in our middle schools -- are they going to blame American kids for them trafficking that?

If I'm not mistaked, you made the generalization that Mexicans were drug dealers. Aside from that, you're saying that Mexican cartels did not care for the health of Americas. As you would imagine, these people are heartless as it is. This can be equated to Walmart and the need for cheap things around the United States. Mexican cartels are saying look there is a huge demand for drugs in the U.S. Let's start supplying them. It's really as simple as that.

No -- Mexico did not become the biggest drug trafficking country because we forced them into it, they did that out of love of big easy drug money. Poisoning the people of another nation was from their own greed. Now it's karma turning on them.

No one is talking about Mexico forcing Americans to do anything. We're talking about Mexican drug cartels. Not Mexicans or its Government. Why do you think gangs in our own country are in the drug trade as well?
Please, get your facts straight.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:25 AM
 
1,417 posts, read 855,075 times
Reputation: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
And yes -- I would say not only tolerated but admired, glorified them.

El Rey de Los Cielos, Jefe de los Jefes, songs praising individual drug kingpins that became very popular, sold many CDs. Lumberto Quintero -- songs, music- the whole bit that certainly looks like admiration. Even a patron saint of narcotrafficking with people coming to pay homage to his shrine. Probably not all people ran out and bought the music of the narco bands but a significant number certainly do.
Why the hell are you talking about music to a quoted post that has nothign to do with music? You remind me of somone. You remind me of a mother who thought their child was an angel, they did nothing wrong. But at school they were bad-- really bad. Of course the mother will always side with her kid.

You don't think 50 cent isn't being praised? He was an ex-crack dealer (could still be who knows). Have you ever listened to a rap song?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:26 AM
 
47,576 posts, read 58,829,832 times
Reputation: 22174
Quote:
Originally Posted by Californio View Post
If you haven't read the articles, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Mexicans are protesting.

Mexicans Protest Rise in Drug-Related Violence - washingtonpost.com

They are detesting the very thing that you think is "apart and accepted" as Mexican culture. And yet you have the anamosity to continue to deem this true!

So will they quit making Los Tigres del Norte, Lupillo Rivera, El Mafia, Los Tucanes del Norte, etc, etc, etc, sell out concerts and will they stop buying their CD's even the pirated CD's?

Here in this area, all that certainly seems to be a BIG part of Mexican culture. Valentin Elizalde gets killed and suddenly his mafia songs are all you hear being played. He was nothing but narco music.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:27 AM
 
1,417 posts, read 855,075 times
Reputation: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
So will they quit making Los Tigres del Norte, Lupillo Rivera, El Mafia, Los Tucanes del Norte, etc, etc, etc, sell out concerts and will they stop buying their CD's even the pirated CD's?

Here in this area, all that certainly seems to be a BIG part of Mexican culture. Valentin Elizalde gets killed and suddenly his mafia songs are all you hear being played. He was nothing but narco music.
Why are we talking about music LOL! Yes, there are narco artists who talk about killing people and dealing drugs. You also know what music does this as well? Rap music, BUT WAY ON THE MAINSTREAM. The entire world listens to it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:29 AM
 
47,576 posts, read 58,829,832 times
Reputation: 22174
Quote:
Originally Posted by Californio View Post
Why the hell are you talking about music to a quoted post that has nothign to do with music? You remind me of somone. You remind me of a mother who thought their child was an angel, they did nothing wrong. But at school they were bad-- really bad. Of course the mother will always side with her kid.

You don't think 50 cent isn't being praised? He was an ex-crack dealer (could still be who knows). Have you ever listened to a rap song?
I'm talking about the culture that promotes the drug traffickers. And as far as rap music there are plenty of black leaders who do come out and discuss the implications of gangsta rap. Bill Cosby for example, he has made a big deal about it, but also many admired black artists have done the same.

Are there any Mexicans condemning the narco-grupos such as Tigres del Norte? Or like Villariagoso the mayor of LA, giving them awards? Does anyone ever bother to question why these groups glorify drug traffickers?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:35 AM
 
1,417 posts, read 855,075 times
Reputation: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
I'm talking about the culture that promotes the drug traffickers. And as far as rap music there are plenty of black leaders who do come out and discuss the implications of gangsta rap. Bill Cosby for example, he has made a big deal about it, but also many admired black artists have done the same.

Are there any Mexicans condemning the narco-grupos such as Tigres del Norte? Or like Villariagoso the mayor of LA, giving them awards? Does anyone ever bother to question why these groups glorify drug traffickers?
Attacking the music that promotes this violence is way down the line. The stuff that is more important right now is stopping the cartels who are killing all these people and smuggling drugs. In fact, U.S television has televised these "narcocorridos".

Also: Killing gives peek into ‘narco’ culture - El Universal - Mexico News

Quote:
Though evidence is understandably hard to come by, some narco-corridistas allegedly have been paid commissions by drug dealers to write songs lionizing their exploits. Several Mexican states have tried to ban narco-corridos.
What other subject would you like to move on now? Right after its been reported that several states have tried banning this music? Have states ever tried to ban Rap music?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:35 AM
 
47,576 posts, read 58,829,832 times
Reputation: 22174
Debate Continues as Cosby Again Criticizes Black Youths (washingtonpost.com)

But in real life, Cosby lately has been delivering a much harsher message: African Americans, particularly the young, have only themselves to blame for a variety of social ills.

CTV.ca | Spike Lee derides gangsta rap lyrics in T.O. speech (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1110895530836_14/?hub=Entertainment - broken link)

Spike Lee:
"As African-Americans we let artists slide," Lee said in the Monday night speech. "(But) those days are over. I think that we have to start to hold people accountable."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:36 AM
 
1,417 posts, read 855,075 times
Reputation: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Debate Continues as Cosby Again Criticizes Black Youths (washingtonpost.com)

But in real life, Cosby lately has been delivering a much harsher message: African Americans, particularly the young, have only themselves to blame for a variety of social ills.

CTV.ca | Spike Lee derides gangsta rap lyrics in T.O. speech (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1110895530836_14/?hub=Entertainment - broken link)

Spike Lee:
"As African-Americans we let artists slide," Lee said in the Monday night speech. "(But) those days are over. I think that we have to start to hold people accountable."

Also: Killing gives peek into ‘narco’ culture - El Universal - Mexico News


Quote:
Though evidence is understandably hard to come by, some narco-corridistas allegedly have been paid commissions by drug dealers to write songs lionizing their exploits. Several Mexican states have tried to ban narco-corridos.
What other subject would you like to move on now? Right after its been reported that several states have tried banning this music? Have states ever tried to ban Rap music?

I now encourage you to stop posting, you're digging yourself deeper into the hole.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-31-2008, 01:40 AM
 
47,576 posts, read 58,829,832 times
Reputation: 22174
Quote:
Originally Posted by Californio View Post
Attacking the music that promotes this violence is way down the line. The stuff that is more important right now is stopping the cartels who are killing all these people and smuggling drugs. In fact, U.S television has televised these "narcocorridos".

Also: Killing gives peek into ‘narco’ culture - El Universal - Mexico News



What other subject would you like to move on now? Right after its been reported that several states have tried banning this music? Have states ever tried to ban Rap music?
Can't leave it all up to the government. At some point instead of blaming America for all their societal ills, the people of Mexico will have to look inward, look at how their youth is being recruited into trafficking, their own attitudes about the money of the drug lords.

Instead of proclaiming drug cartel music is mainstream, great classics and so on, they need to look what it's all about. The whole message it sends.

They need some kind of leadership -- wise men like Spike Lee and Bill Cosby who aren't afraid to point some things out, get at least some people questioning the message.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top