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Old 02-06-2007, 10:05 AM
 
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Look, I honestly don't know enough about this subject to argue further... I'm sorry if things have been rough for you & your family, but that's no excuse to downplay the experiences of others - i.e. illegal immigrants. If you know what it's like to be denied basic needs, shouldn't you have a bit of empathy? Just because someone was born on the other side of a "border" (really an abstract concept, when you think about it), that doesn't mean they're less worthy than you.
A 'border' is not an abstract concept anymore than 'my yard' is an abstract concept.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Look, I honestly don't know enough about this subject to argue further... I'm sorry if things have been rough for you & your family, but that's no excuse to downplay the experiences of others - i.e. illegal immigrants. If you know what it's like to be denied basic needs, shouldn't you have a bit of empathy? Just because someone was born on the other side of a "border" (really an abstract concept, when you think about it), that doesn't mean they're less worthy than you.
They are less worthy for the american services that were set up for amercians. Mexico needs to get it's act together, having over 1/3 of it's population coming here just to send money there isnt helping us. That money should remain here to help pay for the services and to help them assimulate, if that is what they are truely after and so far i havent seen that. 23 billion is alot of money for Mexico. Do you think Mexico would be so generous to us? Not on your life.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:09 AM
 
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Someone keeps bringing up that farmers hire illegals. I see this same dang statement constantly, I guess it's their answer for everything - Yes they do hire illegals, so do these big manufacturing plants, etc. The blame goes both ways. Don't kid yourself these people know how and will continue to work around our system, til possibly there is nothing left.

Yes!! These people... manufacturing owners, construction owners,
and of course farmers...
they do know how to work the system. I assume that's what
you meant by these people.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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You mean you hate that they crossed the border in order to get
work.. because it's illegal? What would you do to feed your
family.. you sound like you love your family dearly. So would
you cross a border to feed them if that was your best option?
Luckily for any of us on here... we'll never have to make that
choice.
Nope I would work 3 jobs if I have too. It is MY responsiblilty to care for my family that I chose to have. And If I had to cross the border, I would do what ever I could to get a work visa. And I hate that they come in with the intensions so many of them do, the no respect, let the americans pick up their tab mentality I have witnessed. if they are truely here to become citizensthey should have no problem doing what it takes, life will still be better here legally than back where they came from. BTW I have met quite a few that have said they were not poor back home, making money here and not having to pay for it is just easier.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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They are less worthy for the american services that were set up for amercians. Mexico needs to get it's act together, having over 1/3 of it's population coming here just to send money there isnt helping us. That money should remain here to help pay for the services and to help them assimulate, if that is what they are truely after and so far i havent seen that. 23 billion is alot of money for Mexico. Do you think Mexico would be so generous to us? Not on your life.
I'd like to think they would be generous, if they had the means... didn't they provide aid to us following Hurricane Katrina?? And Mexico aside, there are plenty of countries that would help us in times of need, and have done so in recent history. I'm a firm believer in the "Golden Rule" and Karma, so our generosity does & will pay off eventually.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Someone keeps bringing up that farmers hire illegals. I see this same dang statement constantly, I guess it's their answer for everything - Yes they do hire illegals, so do these big manufacturing plants, etc. The blame goes both ways. Don't kid yourself these people know how and will continue to work around our system, til possibly there is nothing left.

Yes!! These people... manufacturing owners, construction owners,
and of course farmers...
they do know how to work the system. I assume that's what
you meant by these people.
These people... any person or business that hires them, and the illegals themselves. Thats what I mean.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:16 AM
 
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Andrea, come with me to Tijuana, the 1.5 million city below San Diego. Half of the residents are from other states of Mexico, and they are ready to enter the U.S. for a better life. I've been there six times, it is ridiculously poor. I've only stayed for the day, but would never ever ever walk through those streets at night. These people live in shantys. There house is the size of your living room. There is garbage everywhere, bars around the perimeter of the homes, only if your rich, and they are six feet high. There are thousands of orphans who walk the streets, and prostitution brings in dollars. The people are in despair, the poor line up before you enter back into the United States, trying to sell anything they can just to make an extra dollar. You can get jumped anywhere at anytime, the police are corrupt and set up even Mexican Citizens to gain extra money. If you were to go there, you would be choked up inside without a doubt in my mind. I'm tired of arguing on this site, there's only so much you can do to change a perspective, and then you walk away.
You honestly believe they will come here and not, do the same thing as there. Maybe, you should go to some of these border towns and talk to the ranchers, business owners & home owners who are having their land destroyed and lost of value when these people come through.
They had a rancher who's land is right on the border the immigrants have come through his property and totally trashed it bicycles they must have 200 on their property that have been left garbage that he is always picking up and still can't get it all.
Amazing you can feel sorry for people in another country and care less about the people who live in this situation every day and their land is useless to sale. Do you realize some of these people have bought homes for them to sell after retirement to get them through their old age in an assist living home. Their homes are WORTH NOTHING and you want me to feel sorry for the prostitute that will come here and bring some disease and most likely continue doing the same profession.
Maybe, you and others could go down to Mexico and try to educate them on U.S. living before they get here!! Mexico needs to step forward but, why should they. They see people like you supporting the very people that they are sending our way!!
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Here's an example of how generous other countries can be... it's time we lose this "America first" attitude, and start considering ourselves to be part of the WORLD.

HURRICANE KATRINA: Aid offers from around the world
Independent, The (London), Sep 6, 2005
AUSTRALIA $10m, mostly to US Red Cross
CHINA $5m
JAPAN $200,000 to the US Red Cross
SINGAPORE Three Chinook helicopters
THAILAND Sent 100 doctors and nurses
SOUTH KOREA $30m plus 50 rescue workers
BANGLADESH $1m
SRI LANKA $25,000 to US Red Cross.
KUWAIT $500m worth of oil products
QATAR Pledged $100m
BAHRAIN Pledged $5m
CANADA Four ships loaded with relief supplies and 1,000 personnel
RUSSIA Three planes with emergency gear
ROMANIA Medical staff
CUBA Fidel Castro offered 1,100 doctors with 26 tons of medicine
VENEZUELA President Hugo Chavez, a vocal critic of the US, has offered cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers
MEXICO Fifteen truckloads of supplies and two ships, two helicopters and 15 amphibious vehicles
BRITAIN Sending 500,000 military ration packs, medical experts and engineers
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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I'd like to think they would be generous, if they had the means... didn't they provide aid to us following Hurricane Katrina?? And Mexico aside, there are plenty of countries that would help us in times of need, and have done so in recent history. I'm a firm believer in the "Golden Rule" and Karma, so our generosity does & will pay off eventually.
To live In Mexico full time, you must get an FM-3, a "no Inmigrante" visa, or a FM-2 "Inmigrante restista" visa. You are not allowed to reside in Mexico with the FM-T tourist visa you came in with. There are certain requirements that must be met with each type of document, and it is best to talk to your Immigration official to find out exactly what they are. Don't expect your immigration official to speak much English, so if you don't speak Spanish, bring along an interpreter.

Couples considering retirement to Mexico should make sure both partners feel the same way. If dad's hobby is fishing, but mom's is shopping in Bloomingdale's and Nieman Marcus, Manzanillo may not be her kind of town. You should be adventuresome, flexible in your lifestyle, interested in learning new things, and open to exploring a different culture. You should be able to make friends easily, study the Spanish language, and be able to be separated from your family and friends in the U.S. Patience and tolerance is a must. Everything moves slower here, and "type A" personalities don't fit in. You will be a "minority" race here, and you'll have to accept all the differences that being a gringo entails.

You must be financially stable. It's difficult to get work papers here, and even more difficult to make a living. Tourist season is from November through April. After Easter, Manzanillo looks like a ghost town (except for major Mexican holidays). The heat and humidity can get pretty oppressive for some people, especially when there are other health problems.

You must be a free spirit, a self starter, confident and independent. You must be open minded to a different way of life, but "street-wise" enough not to be taken in by some fast talkers. (if you've got some money to invest, there'll be plenty of folks around who'll take you in as their "business partner.")

There are so many things that we take for granted in the states, such as paying bills by writing out a check. This is a cash economy. You pay your phone bill, electric bill and water bill with cash, in person, standing in line. You wake up one day and the electricity or the phone has been shut off because you didn't pay the bill (that you haven't even received yet). The drivers and the driving "laws" are different. (I use the term "laws" loosely, because even though there are laws and rules of the road, abiding by them is arbitrary.) There are often no modern conveniences, like air conditioning. Dinner is at a different time than back home, usually after 8 p.m. You can't tune in to a radio station in English. Unless you have a satellite dish, all TV programs are in Spanish. Car repairs are a royal pain. You can't find your favorite food at the supermarket. You planned to have pork chops, but the Commercial Mexicana doesn't have any. If you have big feet, there are no shoes to fit. (So who wears shoes anyway?) You hold a dinner party and everybody's late. And so on.


Do you see how we would have to assimulate ourselves into their way of life. gee why do we cater so much?
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:24 AM
 
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I didn't say you are... it's the government's business to provide them with healthcare, and I still don't see how it affects you directly. I've never paid for them, have you? And before you say it, taxes go toward lots of people, not just illegal immigrants - they also help the less fortunate citizens who are uninsured. Besides, my taxes go to a LOT of things I might not agree with, but that's the price you pay for the benefits that are received.
NO, it is not the US governments business to provide illegal aliens with healthcare. On what basis is this statement made?
I have posted much information concerning how this directly affects American citizens and for you to imply that it doesn't is disingenuous at best.
My husband and I are both trained as medical care providers and I can state unequivocally that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
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