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Old 02-07-2007, 10:22 PM
 
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People who truly believe that we could do without migrant labor are just clueless. I think many must live in lower income areas and so their experience includes the dregs of all colors and nationalities, in addition to the poor. They tend to be the have-nots and resent anyone that they consider a threat. It is easier to consider oneself a victim than look inward and see one's own inferiority.

My husband was a produce broker and in the summer we'd go to TN and do some of our own deals. 15+ years ago when we had three men in the backseat taking them to a packing shed to help save our rear on a load of pumpkins that had been kicked back for being dirty, so we had to wash 2800 flippin punkins. Ever scrubbed a pumpkin in a trash can of bleach water?

Anyway, as we were driving to our shed, a major tomatoe grower pulled up. My husband was salivating to get his tomatoes to sell. When the guy looked in the back and said, "Oh, I see you have a car full of wet backs." My husband wouldn't even look at me, because he knew that I would say something. I'm sure that he was praying, "Please not now, not this time"!! I was very pleasant, though. I only corrected the farmer.- "No, we have a car full of workers."

He still got the farmer's precious tomatoes and we never had any trouble pulling up to the camp and getting a car full of workers, even when there were local farmers ahead of us begging for help. Funny how that works. Treat people like...people... and they treat you like.. people!
Bravo... couldn't of said it better!!
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Well, I didn't realize you could come over on a visa and go to school for
free.. does for example Japan do this for us? I knew a lot of people
were here going to school but I just figured they had to pay like
we all do. For an example... if my kids were to go to school in
Oregon intead of California.... (which I wouldn't let them since
I keep hearing how much Oregon people hate us.. maybe I should
start a forum on that... after all I'm a United States citizen and have
the actual RIGHT to move there if I so choose which I don't because
I don't want to live around a bunch a people like that) Hope you are
not from Oregon.. no offense if you are.
But anyway...well we would have to pay more.
Housing is free also for people of other countries.. I mean are they
taking a loan out or is it completely free no strings attached?
People can come from other countries on Student Visas and get free education, I'm not exactly sure how it works because I've never did any research on it. But I do know that it works through a International Program, not sure just how many countries are part of this program.


In the late 1980's when my wife went back to school, there were many students from Japan and India in her classes. Some students from other parts of the world as well but not sure where they were all from. I'm not sure if the college got paid through this International Program or not, but the students didn't pay anything... (the Japanese lady told my wife this)


Where Japan or other countries have this type of programs for U.S. students or not, I really don't know. It may be worth doing a little research on though.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:28 PM
 
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It's actually the name of the beautiful tourist city I live in.
It's near Palm Springs and has tournaments with Tiger
woods etc. I've actually met quite few stars and ate lunch
next to the gal who played on Dallas.. Sue Ellen .. jr's wife.
Can't think of her name right now. But anyway, I think
because I've lived in California all my life and it is a big melting
pot, that I'm accepting of all people. I don't know where these
people who post live.. or what types of illegals they are around.
Bad area's are bad area's... and criminals come in all shapes, colors
and nationalities. This whole area is filled with hard working hispanics...
legal and illegal. I hate to see people hate all illegals when the majority
are hard working, law abiding ( YES andreabeth they broke the law
crossing the freaking border) people. Yes, we need to control the
problem. The Government needs to stop ignoring the problem and
get it under control. But lets not all turn bitter and judge everyone
by a few bad apples. People focus on how much money we pay for
their benefits. Well, how much do they save us when they work
for such low wages. How much money do they pump in the economy
while they are here? I can tell you by shopping at Walmart alone...
alot!!! But those figures will never be mentioned because people
who have agenda's always focus on what helps their agenda.
I am not very familiar with CA, but if you live near Palm Springs, you probably live in a nicer area and perhaps are not exposed to many of the things that people here have voiced concern about. Many other US citizens see the downside of uncontrolled illegal immigration- gangs such as MS-13, drug trafficking, use of forged or stolen SS#s, multiple families living in a dwelling in violation of housing code, driving without a license or insurance, damage to properties along the border, gaming the system by crossing the border pregnant and having an anchor baby at US expense, substantial expenses associated with ESL programs for schools that are already in dire financial straits , closure of ERs and hospitals because of unpaid bills and, quite frankly the very vocal reconquista agendas of LaRaza, MecHA, the brown berets, etc. Is all of this worth it in order to have your lawn mowed and cheaper carrots? See, I don't think so.
And even if all illegals were 100% honest, hardworking people, there is the little matter that we are a sovereign nation. We have a border. We, the American people have the right to decide who enters our country and who doesn't. And how many people enter our country. The statement 'they are only trying to find a job and make a better life for themselves' just does not justify them crossing our border illegally.
And, quite frankly, it's unfair. There are many equally deserving families living in poverty in other parts of the world. They too deserve a chance for a better life. Yet they sit waiting for months or years on end while people from Mexico and SA swarm over the border. How is this fair? Shouldn't all peoples of the world have an equal chance to come here? Why should 5 families in Sri Lanka endlessly wait for the visas that never come while 5 families south of the border elbow their way into the US? And if we already have millions of illegals here already, how receptive do you think people are going to be to the idea of additional families from Romania or Nigeria coming here? If diversity is what we seek, why are our immigrants overwhelmingly hispanic? Right now our immigration policy seems to be driven by Mexico and various advocacy groups. We need to take back the reins.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It's actually the name of the beautiful tourist city I live in.
It's near Palm Springs and has tournaments with Tiger
woods etc. I've actually met quite a few stars ( I worked at
a very nice hotel as a desk clerk in Palm Springs as a teen and even got to dance
with Lawrence Welk for a few seconds...if you are old enough to know
who he was!! haha) And recently I was out to eat and sat
next to the gal who played on Dallas.. Sue Ellen .. jr's wife.
Can't think of her name right now. But anyway, I think
because I've lived in California all my life and it is a big melting
pot, that I'm accepting of all people. I don't know where these
people who post live..(I've lived in good and bad (Palmdale being the bad.. haha)
or what types of illegals they are around.
Bad area's are bad area's... and criminals come in all shapes, colors
and nationalities. This whole area is filled with hard working hispanics...
legal and illegal. I hate to see people hate all illegals when the majority
are hard working, law abiding ( YES andreabeth they broke the law
crossing the freaking border) people. Yes, we need to control the
problem. The Government needs to stop ignoring the problem and
get it under control. But lets not all turn bitter and judge everyone
by a few bad apples. People focus on how much money we pay for
their benefits. Well, how much do they save us when they work
for such low wages. How much money do they pump in the economy
while they are here? I can tell you by shopping at Walmart alone...
alot!!! But those figures will never be mentioned because people
who have agenda's always focus on what helps their agenda.

I know where the little town of La Quinta is located, you're near Indio and Coachella. When I had my trucking business CA was one of my hot spots, made lots of stops in Palm Springs.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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People who truly believe that we could do without migrant labor are just clueless. I think many must live in lower income areas and so their experience includes the dregs of all colors and nationalities, in addition to the poor. They tend to be the have-nots and resent anyone that they consider a threat. It is easier to consider oneself a victim than look inward and see one's own inferiority.

My husband was a produce broker and in the summer we'd go to TN and do some of our own deals. 15+ years ago when we had three men in the backseat taking them to a packing shed to help save our rear on a load of pumpkins that had been kicked back for being dirty, so we had to wash 2800 flippin punkins. Ever scrubbed a pumpkin in a trash can of bleach water?

Anyway, as we were driving to our shed, a major tomatoe grower pulled up. My husband was salivating to get his tomatoes to sell. When the guy looked in the back and said, "Oh, I see you have a car full of wet backs." My husband wouldn't even look at me, because he knew that I would say something. I'm sure that he was praying, "Please not now, not this time"!! I was very pleasant, though. I only corrected the farmer.- "No, we have a car full of workers."

He still got the farmer's precious tomatoes and we never had any trouble pulling up to the camp and getting a car full of workers, even when there were local farmers ahead of us begging for help. Funny how that works. Treat people like...people... and they treat you like.. people!

Your husband was a produce broker, that's all I needed...thanks
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:45 PM
 
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I know where the little town of La Quinta is located, you're near Indio and Coachella. When I had my trucking business CA was one of my hot spots, made lots of stops in Palm Springs.
Hey, that's neat. You would be shocked though at the growth.
About 3 or 4 years ago La Quinta was so nice and quiet still
and then the secret came out and it's just exploded. A lot
of LA people have moved here and the whole place is fast paced
with tons and tons of traffic and crazy fast drivers in their
luxury cars speeding everywhere. Of course there's always an
upside... lot's of restaurants and more shopping. Oh, and Indio
has some really expensive area's now with extremely wealthy people
living in some area's. Of course most of Indio is still the same as
you probably saw it when you were here last. I used to work at the Spa
Hotel in Palm Springs... it went back to the Indians a few years ago and
they put a casino in it.

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Old 02-07-2007, 11:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hereinfla
People who truly believe that we could do without migrant labor are just clueless. I think many must live in lower income areas and so their experience includes the dregs of all colors and nationalities, in addition to the poor. They tend to be the have-nots and resent anyone that they consider a threat. It is easier to consider oneself a victim than look inward and see one's own inferiority.

My husband was a produce broker and in the summer we'd go to TN and do some of our own deals. 15+ years ago when we had three men in the backseat taking them to a packing shed to help save our rear on a load of pumpkins that had been kicked back for being dirty, so we had to wash 2800 flippin punkins. Ever scrubbed a pumpkin in a trash can of bleach water?

Anyway, as we were driving to our shed, a major tomatoe grower pulled up. My husband was salivating to get his tomatoes to sell. When the guy looked in the back and said, "Oh, I see you have a car full of wet backs." My husband wouldn't even look at me, because he knew that I would say something. I'm sure that he was praying, "Please not now, not this time"!! I was very pleasant, though. I only corrected the farmer.- "No, we have a car full of workers."

He still got the farmer's precious tomatoes and we never had any trouble pulling up to the camp and getting a car full of workers, even when there were local farmers ahead of us begging for help. Funny how that works. Treat people like...people... and they treat you like.. people!
the way i think is that no we couldn't do without migrant labor but guess wat we could do without illeagle migrant labor. we don't need a bunch of people that think it's ok to break the law running around in America
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:05 PM
 
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I am not very familiar with CA, but if you live near Palm Springs, you probably live in a nicer area and perhaps are not exposed to many of the things that people here have voiced concern about. Many other US citizens see the downside of uncontrolled illegal immigration- gangs such as MS-13, drug trafficking, use of forged or stolen SS#s, multiple families living in a dwelling in violation of housing code, driving without a license or insurance, damage to properties along the border, gaming the system by crossing the border pregnant and having an anchor baby at US expense, substantial expenses associated with ESL programs for schools that are already in dire financial straits , closure of ERs and hospitals because of unpaid bills and, quite frankly the very vocal reconquista agendas of LaRaza, MecHA, the brown berets, etc. Is all of this worth it in order to have your lawn mowed and cheaper carrots? See, I don't think so.
And even if all illegals were 100% honest, hardworking people, there is the little matter that we are a sovereign nation. We have a border. We, the American people have the right to decide who enters our country and who doesn't. And how many people enter our country. The statement 'they are only trying to find a job and make a better life for themselves' just does not justify them crossing our border illegally.
And, quite frankly, it's unfair. There are many equally deserving families living in poverty in other parts of the world. They too deserve a chance for a better life. Yet they sit waiting for months or years on end while people from Mexico and SA swarm over the border. How is this fair? Shouldn't all peoples of the world have an equal chance to come here? Why should 5 families in Sri Lanka endlessly wait for the visas that never come while 5 families south of the border elbow their way into the US? And if we already have millions of illegals here already, how receptive do you think people are going to be to the idea of additional families from Romania or Nigeria coming here? If diversity is what we seek, why are our immigrants overwhelmingly hispanic? Right now our immigration policy seems to be driven by Mexico and various advocacy groups. We need to take back the reins.

Well, people in Nigeria can't sneak over.. it's only because we're next to
Mexico we have them sneaking over. Florida is near Cuba and they
get Cuban's. It's just georgraphy. If we were near all the countries
you spoke of... you can believe they would be sneaking in too.
People from impoverished nations are always trying to escape to a
better life. It's just usually it's harder. Normally you would have
to get on a boat or travel long, long distances. Mexico is our
neighbor and it's fairly easy to get over.
It sounds like you live in a bad area. I feel bad for you ..I've
been there done that. But you are in a bad area and bad
area's draw the worst elements. In Palmdale I was near
alot of black gang bangers. I don't hold that against black people..
I've been in other area's with white meth users.. yucky scroungy looking
white people.. I don't hold that against white people (I couldn't anyway I'm white :0)
So some of the illegals are bad... and don't work hard. I won't hold it against the other
ones that's only crime is crossing a border and once here are hard working.
The MS-13's are spreading like wildfire
but so are other black gangs and asian gangs. I mean no one likes
a gang member of any group.
Again, I'm not advocating illegal
immigration... I am pretty sure no one on this forum is for it.
I just am not going to hate them for coming over
because frankly, I feel darn lucky to be born here and I feel it was
just a matter of winning the lottery of locations. You know...luck
of the draw that I'm not over there and some senora is over here instead
of me. I'll support anything our government can do to control the
problem. I'm just going to keep respecting the hard working people
I run into throughout my daily life untill they do figure something out.
In the meantime I figure with all the money they spend back into the
economy with the super low wages they make... well I'm just going to
consider it a wash with the medical benefits. I see them spending money
everywhere. Must be because more than one familiy to a house,with even low wages
they can still spend and send some back home. I'm just not a hater...
it's Uncle's Sam's problem to figure out and I'll support whatever they
come up with. In the meantime I do mow my own back yard and I'm
pretty sure my association hires legal landscapers. I can only do
what I can do... but I'll continue to do what I believe is right. Treat all
people respectfully. Getting the government to come up with a solution or
solutions should be everyone's new agenda.

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Old 02-07-2007, 11:07 PM
 
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Where Japan or other countries have this type of programs for U.S. students or not, I really don't know. It may be worth doing a little research on though.[/quote]


I do think I'll ask around and see if I can get an answer... I'll let you
know if I do. I mean ... we should spread the word if American's can
get a break. Usually it's always our country giving the breaks.

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Old 02-08-2007, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Hey, that's neat. You would be shocked though at the growth.
About 3 or 4 years ago La Quinta was so nice and quiet still
and then the secret came out and it's just exploded. A lot
of LA people have moved here and the whole place is fast paced
with tons and tons of traffic and crazy fast drivers in their
luxury cars speeding everywhere. Of course there's always an
upside... lot's of restaurants and more shopping. Oh, and Indio
has some really expensive area's now with extremely wealthy people
living in some area's. Of course most of Indio is still the same as
you probably saw it when you were here last. I used to work at the Spa
Hotel in Palm Springs... it went back to the Indians a few years ago and
they put a casino in it.

My last trip to CA was in May of 2006, I have a lot of friends in CA, Barstow, Apple Valley, Mira Loma, Bakersfield, Ripon, Fresno, Salinas. I met a lot of nice people there over the years.
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