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Old 09-01-2008, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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This video is so stupid.

Yes, Benicar! You caught us! We REALLY ARE trying to take over the country.


Most of the people were just laughing at this idiot and playing along.
I cant believe youre taking it so seriously.
Your opinion is duly noted.

Any response to the eloquent posts by Kele and fastfilm?
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Old 09-01-2008, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Most of the people were just laughing at this idiot and playing along.
I do see a little of what you're talking about here. It's a little like entrapment; people just went along with to humor him.

There are a lot more disturbing examples of reconquista than this.
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Old 09-01-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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Back to topic: the video is performance art, but with a sad underpinning- how easy it is to rile exclusionary (Us "---" only! Viva la raza! KKK! etc.) mobs into irrational intolerance.

I saw a great film on this very subject last night on TurnerClassic, "Fury" directed by Fritz Lang in 1936, about a lynch mob. I consider any group of people that wants anyone else not exactly just like themselves, down to exactly what precise cultural heritage from which they stem, to be gone forever, die, whatever, to be frightening in the modern context. We were supposed to have evolved past this in the U.S., as in the bad old days of Lang's film. How dare La Mecha or anyone preach that I, a U.S. citizen, don't have a right to live in my own country?
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: California
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Your opinion is duly noted.

Any response to the eloquent posts by Kele and fastfilm?
What you want me to say? I merely gave insight into why "indian supremacists" would idolize Che so much, and I gave that opinion.
That is how Che is seen by a lot of people, including Latino, White, Black youth in America.

I didnt bother reading their info, or check sources. Maybe later. Doesn't really matter to me, honestly.

As far as communism, sounds great on paper, but it could never work because people are corrupt by nature. You guys aren't exactly shattering my world, lol.
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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What you want me to say? I merely gave insight into why "indian supremacists" would idolize Che so much, and I gave that opinion.
That is how Che is seen by a lot of people, including Latino, White, Black youth in America.

I didnt bother reading their info, or check sources. Maybe later. Doesn't really matter to me, honestly.

As far as communism, sounds great on paper, but it could never work because people are corrupt by nature. You guys aren't exactly shattering my world, lol.
You had this to say about a mass murderer who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people:

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Not to try and speak for MeCha or anything, but I would think that they would respect him as a rich man who could have had a privileged life, but instead fought for the indigenous people of South America and people in Africa.

Why should they hate him because he's White? He was against imperialism.


and you can't even be bothered to read the truth about this monster?

Typical....
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Old 09-01-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: California
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You had this to say about a mass murderer who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people:

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and you can't even be bothered to read the truth about this monster?

Typical....
Sorry if I dont take you very seriously.
I don't doubt that Che was less than a saint. Like I said earlier, I dont really care either.
Someone asked why they use his image so much, giving the reason of him being white being enough reason for them to not like him. I gave insight to how they see him, and why they look up to him.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Sorry if I dont take you very seriously.
I don't doubt that Che was less than a saint. Like I said earlier, I dont really care either.
Someone asked why they use his image so much, giving the reason of him being white being enough reason for them to not like him. I gave insight to how they see him, and why they look up to him.
Less than a saint? The fact that you even would think that this man fought for anyone other than his own vainglory shows an appalling lack of understanding of that particular period in history.

It's amazing to me that you would vigorously defend and seek to promote illegal aliens and their criminal behavior while dismissing that of a man who was responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

Sorry if I can't take you very seriously.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Less than a saint? The fact that you even would think that this man fought for anyone other than his own vainglory shows an appalling lack of understanding of that particular period in history.

It's amazing to me that you would vigorously defend and seek to promote illegal aliens and their criminal behavior while dismissing that of a man who was responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

Sorry if I can't take you very seriously.
What does Che have to do with illegal immigration other than some protesters wearing his t-shirt?

And I'm promoting illegal aliens and thier criminal behavior?
Go chew on some more old paint chips.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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What does Che have to do with illegal immigration other than some protesters wearing his t-shirt?
Nothing that I'm aware of. Why did you feel it necessary to jump in and justify the use of his image by illegal aliens and/or their supporters to the rest of us? You opened yourself up to critique and debate at that point. Nobody was twisting your arm.

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And I'm promoting illegal aliens and thier criminal behavior?
Oh no amc, not you. You're one of the most vocal opponents to criminal behavior on this forum, are you not? You would never dream of making excuses for the criminal behavior of illegal aliens.....

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Go chew on some more old paint chips.
Oh ouch! You certainly put me in my place with your superior rhetorical skills. I am wounded to the quick. How will I ever be able to hold my head up amongst my peers again?
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:49 PM
 
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Nothing that I'm aware of. Why did you feel it necessary to jump in and justify the use of his image by illegal aliens and/or their supporters to the rest of us? You opened yourself up to critique and debate at that point. Nobody was twisting your arm.



Oh no amc, not you. You're one of the most vocal opponents to criminal behavior on this forum, are you not? You would never dream of making excuses for the criminal behavior of illegal aliens.....



Oh ouch! You certainly put me in my place with your superior rhetorical skills. I am wounded to the quick. How will I ever be able to hold my head up amongst my peers again?
As your fellow American, it is my honor and duty to help you lift your head up high girlfriend. Don't worry I got you.
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