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Old 09-02-2008, 12:23 PM
 
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I'll admit it - my ancestors from Holland came "illegally" - that is, before Ellis Island - like around the time of New Amsterdam. Also, some of my ancestors were "native Americans", although no one is really a native American, since everyone came from Africa.

Once America became an independent country, it had the right to "screen" people, and we should still be doing that. We've certainly learned it's a good idea - look at the violent crime, diseases, ID theft, use of taxpayer benefits, etc. that we've had to put up with when we let illegals come in.
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We can make immigration a lot easier. If we make immigration a lot easier, immigrants can come in, register, and pay taxes. Thus they'll be contributing to the government pool of money that serves them. .

WHAT?

Who do you think is stampeding across the border, Doctors and Engineers? Make them citizens and they will be permanently embedded in the throngs of Social Services. They won't be paying taxes other than sales tax I assure you.
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:49 PM
 
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the fact is that the US govt benefits by have wages artifically surpressed in certain categories that get lots of foreign illegal workers--they will worl for much less and in worse condtions than American workers--to help companies inflate their profits....
they might have illege SS cards but SS still receives the portion due on whatever wages they earn--so the govt get money from all these illegal workers that it can use to fund its ongoing budget w/o having to worry about paying SS pensions to those illegal workers...
the govt makes out like a bandit in some ways...

every CEO and CFO and HR head in any company that has illegal workers in mass numbers (as when over 50% of your workers are illegals as some businesses have)
should go to jail--without bail--just like their illegal workers are in jail until they are deported...
they should have to pay BIG fines--right now they pay few because they claim to be the "unwitting" victim of the illegals who give them false papers
rat's ass...
they contract for those workers with people who either bring them up or funnel them into employment and collect a finder's fee--just like legitimate head hunters do...
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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WHAT?

Who do you think is stampeding across the border, Doctors and Engineers? Make them citizens and they will be permanently embedded in the throngs of Social Services. They won't be paying taxes other than sales tax I assure you.
Amen to that! If the 20-30 million illegals were granted citizenship, this is precisely the caliber of citizens we would have -- millions of parasites, to add to the millions we already have.
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:04 PM
 
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I'll admit it - my ancestors from Holland came "illegally" - that is, before Ellis Island - like around the time of New Amsterdam. Also, some of my ancestors were "native Americans", although no one is really a native American, since everyone came from Africa.

Once America became an independent country, it had the right to "screen" people, and we should still be doing that. We've certainly learned it's a good idea - look at the violent crime, diseases, ID theft, use of taxpayer benefits, etc. that we've had to put up with when we let illegals come in.
Although I agree with your post, you are incorrect regarding the out of Africa THEORY.

Modern humans did not evolve from Africa, they evolved from our ancestors that immigrated out of Africa.

And again, when refering to something as a basis for your debate, you must make it clear that it is not fact but theory, one that most scientist have discarded but for some reason it is the one the public seems to pick up on all the time, maybe because the other theory does not have the word "Africa" in it.
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Hominids evolved in Africa. Those hominids evolved into modern humans to the exclusion of others approximately 40,000 years ago, when Neanderthals disappeared and Homo sapien sapien flourished.

It is not incorrect to state that the ancestors of modern man immigrated out of Africa, that is entirely true. I believe that what cousinsal was expressing was the fact that there are no indignenous peoples to the New World. Unlike Africa, where the human primate evolved, there was no hominid evolution in the New World and all who eventually made their homes here migrated from somewhere else.

Correct me if I'm wrong cousinsal.
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Hominids evolved in Africa. Those hominids evolved into modern humans to the exclusion of others approximately 40,000 years ago, when Neanderthals disappeared and Homo sapien sapien flourished.

It is not incorrect to state that the ancestors of modern man immigrated out of Africa, that is entirely true. I believe that what cousinsal was expressing was the fact that there are no indignenous peoples to the New World. Unlike Africa, where the human primate evolved, there was no hominid evolution in the New World and all who eventually made their homes here migrated from somewhere else.

Correct me if I'm wrong cousinsal.
Is there a thread about evolution somewhere? I'll debate in that forum but this thread is about Illegal Aliens abusing Social Services after coming across the border illegally.
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Old 09-02-2008, 08:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Is there a thread about evolution somewhere? I'll debate in that forum but this thread is about Illegal Aliens abusing Social Services after coming across the border illegally.
This has to do with those who proclaim their right to move across the border at will because they are supposedly indigenous to the North American continent. As I've posted numerous times in the past, there are no indigenous people in the New World. Therein lies the argument and its connection to illegal immigration.

Get it?
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Carrollton, Tx
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Hospital chided for reporting illegal applicant - Yahoo! News (broken link)
You have to feel sorry for the lady, but...This may be hard to take, but using a fraudulant government document, i.e. someone else's Social Security card is a federal violation. The hospital would have been violating law if they did not contact the authorities...If you don't like the law you'll need to change it!
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:19 PM
 
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I'll admit it - my ancestors from Holland came "illegally" - that is, before Ellis Island - like around the time of New Amsterdam. Also, some of my ancestors were "native Americans", although no one is really a native American, since everyone came from Africa.

Once America became an independent country, it had the right to "screen" people, and we should still be doing that. We've certainly learned it's a good idea - look at the violent crime, diseases, ID theft, use of taxpayer benefits, etc. that we've had to put up with when we let illegals come in.
Before Ellis Island they didn't come illegally, because there weren't laws back then, there weren't all that many people, and it was considered to be vacant land for the taking. The Indians didn't have immigration laws either -- sadly for them.
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