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Old 09-03-2008, 08:54 AM
 
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Still, it seems strange that Rep. Bilbray would sponsor such a bill, given that his own mother was a non-citizen. But Bilbray carved out an exception that would conveniently apply to him -- that a child born in the U.S. is considered a citizen so long as at least one parent is (1) a citizen; (2) a lawful permanent resident; or (3) in active military service. Bilbray's father was a U.S. citizen.

Even if Bilbray could manage to get his bill enacted into law, it would almost certainly be struck down as unconstitutional. The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside." It would take a constitutional amendment, not a mere act of Congress, to deny citizenship to those born on U.S. soil.

Bilbray claims that his bill is simply advancing an interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment -- as Congress is permitted to do under its power to enact laws to enforce the Constitution -- rather than proposing a change that would require the very difficult and extended process of amending the Constitution. The crux of his tortured argument is that the Fourteenth Amendment clause "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" denies citizenship to American-born children whose parents "owe allegiance to another country." Not surprisingly, Bilbray is not specific about what that phrase means.

Anti-Immigrant Republican Brian Bilbray's Bizarre Crusade on the 14th Amendment | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet

The deliberate misinterpretation and the spin continues. I agree with Bilbray, two ILLEGAL ALIENS cannot produce an AMERICAN CITIZEN.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:11 AM
 
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First of all-isn't there a difference between "not being a citizen" and being here illegally? The pro-illegal SPLC acts like Bilbray's mother was here illegally-she was not. Bilbray has always been outspoken that his mother was a legal immigrant- I have heard him say it numerous times. His father is a US citizen. There is a big difference between a child being born to a US citizen and a legal immigrant than a child born to an illegal alien mother running over the border in month 9.

As you said JDubsMom-two illegal aliens cannot produce an American citizen. Thank you Congressman Bilbray for attempting to stop this disgusting hijacking of the 14th amendment.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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First of all-isn't there a difference between "not being a citizen" and being here illegally? The pro-illegal SPLC acts like Bilbray's mother was here illegally-she was not. Bilbray has always been outspoken that his mother was a legal immigrant- I have heard him say it numerous times. His father is a US citizen. There is a big difference between a child being born to a US citizen and a legal immigrant than a child born to an illegal alien mother running over the border in month 9.

As you said JDubsMom-two illegal aliens cannot produce an American citizen. Thank you Congressman Bilbray for attempting to stop this disgusting hijacking of the 14th amendment.
It's the spin factor being used to justify the deliberate abuse and misinterpretation of an amendment that long ago outlived its original intent and purpose. The fact that they breed with the pre-planned intention of running across the border in full blown labor confirms that.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Bilbray is an idiot. Before I knew who he was, I heard him on the radio once and was thinking "who is this moron?"...later I heard that he was running for congress and I laughed, thinking "there's no way anyone could vote for this idiot". I was wrong. Bilbray was a Bush lackey (93% in agreement by his votes) who couldn't even get into a real college.

I'm sorry, but if you haven't gotten even a Bachelor's degree, you are not qualified to be a Congressman. It's like saying "hey kids, you don't need to work hard in High School to become a congressman, you just gotta spend your time surfing and drinking and you too can luck your way into Congress". The guy is an idiot, and anyone who votes for him is one too. There were 13 other Republicans to choose from that year, including Howard Kaloogian (law degree from a good school, though he's also partially responsible for the Governator), Bill Morrow (who also had a law degree and was a JAG), and Scott Turner (an NFL player who had finished college too).

It's not hard to finish college, and as a Lobbyist and Tax Consultant, Bilbray could have easily afforded an education. Clearly his lack of Political Science and Government classes is obvious through his moronic votes and his inability to produce any kind of intelligent legislation. He is a joke.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Heck, they keep saying 12-15 million in the USA...
There is more than that, just in Texas alone. Cali has just as many.
It is always 5x's more than the government accounts for, in anything they do.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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Heck, they keep saying 12-15 million in the USA...
There is more than that, just in Texas alone. Cali has just as many.
It is always 5x's more than the government accounts for, in anything they do.
Can you back up your statements please? Thank you
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Can you back up your statements please? Thank you

I want our government to back up their statement of 12-15 million!
I'm going by our governments track record of under estimating, by a long shot. 5x's was being gentle on them. Their last guesstiment they were more 50 x's off of their addition and a lot of Oh ya, forgot about that.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Can you back up your statements please? Thank you
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I want our government to back up their statement of 12-15 million!
I'm going by our governments track record of under estimating, by a long shot. 5x's was being gentle on them. Their last guesstiment they were more 50 x's off of their addition and a lot of Oh ya, forgot about that.
I have to side with zac here: looking at just Arizona 2009 vs. 2007 and extrapolating for the rest of the USA; even 12 million illegal aliens sounds way too high.............remember that Mexico is whining about being flooded with many of their citizens returning home--------and, not all Mx's ex-pats are even here illegally. Some Mexican nationals are green card holders unable to find work here hence heading SoB on their own volition.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:01 PM
 
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Bilbray is an idiot. Before I knew who he was, I heard him on the radio once and was thinking "who is this moron?"...later I heard that he was running for congress and I laughed, thinking "there's no way anyone could vote for this idiot". I was wrong. Bilbray was a Bush lackey (93% in agreement by his votes) who couldn't even get into a real college.

I'm sorry, but if you haven't gotten even a Bachelor's degree, you are not qualified to be a Congressman. It's like saying "hey kids, you don't need to work hard in High School to become a congressman, you just gotta spend your time surfing and drinking and you too can luck your way into Congress". The guy is an idiot, and anyone who votes for him is one too. There were 13 other Republicans to choose from that year, including Howard Kaloogian (law degree from a good school, though he's also partially responsible for the Governator), Bill Morrow (who also had a law degree and was a JAG), and Scott Turner (an NFL player who had finished college too).

It's not hard to finish college, and as a Lobbyist and Tax Consultant, Bilbray could have easily afforded an education. Clearly his lack of Political Science and Government classes is obvious through his moronic votes and his inability to produce any kind of intelligent legislation. He is a joke.
There have been plenty of congressmen that have had no college education. The founders wrote what the qualifications were for those jobs. No degree required.

P.S. There have been supreme court justices with no law degree.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The first estimates that challenged the INS estimates appeared from labor force researchers at Northeastern University.1 They estimated in 2001 that the illegal immigrant population could be as large as 11 million. They later revised that estimate upward to 12 million.
The director of the Census Bureau, when asked about the much higher estimate of the illegal immigrant population agreed that the 2000 Census data indicated that the illegal immigrant estimate of the INS was too low, but did not offer a different estimate.







An independent estimate by analysts of the bear-Stearns investment firm said the illegal immigrant population "…may be as high as 20 million people."2 This estimate dismisses lower official estimates as being flawed by the non-response of illegal immigrant to census takers.
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