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Old 09-07-2008, 09:41 PM
 
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I never said all Hispanics were indian/mestizo. I said of 'Latino descent'. Mexicans constitute for the largest number of White Hispanics anyway.
Since when were the majority of Mexicans white? Mestizo does not equal European, does it? In fact, most "Hispanics" are nonwhite.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:41 PM
 
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I'm offended when people say crime and corruption is part of American culture. Just like I get offended when people say being fat is apart of American culture, being greedy is apart of American culture e.t.c
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:42 PM
 
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This isn't a trick question. Many people on this forum have widely-differing notions of what the term 'mix', exactly, entails. Mixed ancestry? Mixed loyalties? Mixed ethics? Mixed values? Nobody seems to agree on this.
How about "mixed up?"
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:45 PM
 
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Its funny that certain people say that corruption is part of Mexican culture, lol.

The United States has gone through lots of corruption dealing with organzied crime since before the days of Capone.
JFK's father was a smuggler!

I don't think its a "cultural thing", I think its a human thing. You have to clean up the law enforcement of corruption before you deal with crime in the country.
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USA at its most corrupt period of time x 100 can't hold a candle to the corruption in good times of any Latin American country.
Mexico is next door and largest immigration thus it gets noticed the most.

USA cleans its corruption be it Capone,etc yes it takes time and corruption varies from place to place like Miami easily one of the most corrupt places in USA but still great compared to Latin America.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:54 PM
 
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Once again, we're talking culture here...not race, not economic class, not ethnicity or language, but CULTURE. Culture determines our sense of 'right and wrong', appropriate and inappropriate.

In SOME cultures, being allowed to 'sneak in' to a place, make a living 'off the record', and be more-or-less allowed to stay on indefinitely, would obligate one to show gratitude, respect, and deference to one's 'hosts'. Showing such appreciation would be 'the right thing to do'.

In OTHER cultures, such signs of gratitude and appreciation mark one as sappy, weak, and a 'sissy'. In those cultures, you don't act grateful, you are simply emboldened to demand MORE. You look out for yourself, and your group, and 'to hell with the neighbors'. That's the 'right thing to do' in those cultures.

Cultures have the capacity to engender FAR more murderous conflicts than do mere land or material goods. The world is littered with the results of societies whose members annhilated one another, not because they really 'wanted' each others' 'stuff', but because they simply could not tolerate each other's cultures.
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Brilliant post. To me, you've hit on the CLASSIC definition of the huge difference between First World and Third World cultures. Most of us don't like to even ADMIT this difference (it interferes with 'multiculturalism') let alone discuss it....but there it is, in your post.

The definition of a society having moved into a world-class "First World" status, is "The Ability to Put Aside Family and Tribal Loyalties and Obligations, and reach out into society and to put one's trust and faith in STRANGERS" Sounds like a 'no-brainer', yet, just as you say, Third World people find it virtually impossible to really "trust" anyone outside their circle of family, friends, or 'tribe'. As a result, in the third world, family bonds are very STRONG (sometimes suffocating), while any sense of being a "nation" is very weak.

A very basic difference, but makes an ENORMOUS difference on how life is lived, and how people regard each other, right down to the neighborhood level. It's something MOST Americans internalized generations ago...yet most of the world's population has yet to 'discover'.
I'm glad discourse such as macmeal's can spell this out for those who wonder at us U.S. citizen's chagrin at people moving here to hate us.

I have foreign national neighbors who can't fathom why blasting amplified music 24/7 bothers people, when every other neighbor on the block, of all global backgrounds, has complained to them and to the police for years. They really don't have a clue as to why anyone outside of their own immediate household matters, why anyone outside of their own immediate family has rights, etc. THEY JUST DON'T CARE.

Foreign nationals still trash my neighborhood, despite sanitation laws here. THEY JUST DON'T CARE.

I still have foreign nationals spit at me when I walk by. I'm an American, middle-aged female in my own country, but because they brought their misogynistic hate with them, THEY JUST DON'T CARE.

I've never gone out of my way to be mean to anyone, strangers, co-workers, etc., and have found that most Americans of whatever background, once past pubescence, can sort of, or at least are trying to make the same claim. American citizens, whether born or naturalized, share in this cultural attribute, that we don't want to be horrible to people, and that it takes a borderline sociopath to think that hating someone who is not exactly, precisely like one's self is acceptable.

This country has worked very hard on this for centuries, to the extent that hate crimes now rightfully are sensationalistic news. This is not the case is the Brave New World of anti-American culturists living here, wherein American values always are considered wrong or suspect, and the old country ways of the emigrants' "home country" will always determine their personal course of action. Some assimilation!
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:00 PM
 
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USA at its most corrupt period of time x 100 can't hold a candle to the corruption in good times of any Latin American country.
Mexico is next door and largest immigration thus it gets noticed the most.

USA cleans its corruption be it Capone,etc yes it takes time and corruption varies from place to place like Miami easily one of the most corrupt places in USA but still great compared to Latin America.
As the richest most powerful country in the world, the US has a different kind of corruption problem. Like starting wars, defying UN laws, opening prison camps that torture people and holding them for years without bringing any charges on them, that kind of thing.

Im not trying to bash America. I love America, the country. But there are no governments out there that aren't corrupt. Corruption goes with the territory of having a government in place.
Im not an anarchist either, but its just the way it is.

The U.S. government has recently done some stuff reminiscent of the Desaparecidos in Argentina.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Its funny that certain people say that corruption is part of Mexican culture, lol.

The United States has gone through lots of corruption dealing with organzied crime since before the days of Capone.
JFK's father was a smuggler!

I don't think its a "cultural thing", I think its a human thing. You have to clean up the law enforcement of corruption before you deal with crime in the country.
Corruption is significantly less pervasive here in the USA than Mexico.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Since when were the majority of Mexicans white? Mestizo does not equal European, does it? In fact, most "Hispanics" are nonwhite.
Factoring in Argentines and Spaniards: are you sure that Hispanics as a group are mostly 'non White'?

Especially under Hispanic culture many Mestizos self identify as being of the White race.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Since when were the majority of Mexicans white? Mestizo does not equal European, does it? In fact, most "Hispanics" are nonwhite.
Mestizo people in Mexico are a conglomerate of native Indian and European blood. How much European blood does one have to have in order to be considered "white" or "non-white?"

Is it relative or selective?

Just wondering....
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:04 AM
 
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Is it relative or selective?

Yes......
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