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Old 02-05-2007, 09:58 AM
 
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1. Cheap lettuce,, you gotta problem with cheap lettuce? John McCain offered $50,000 to any white man who spent a season in the fields in Yuma picking lettuce, no takers.
Is this true? I would've done it. Sign me up. Is the offer still good? I love Yuma.

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2. In the ski areas of Tahoe, the workers come from Brazil, Peru, New Zealand Australia. Legally with permits, but would you like to know why the operators go over seas for their workers? Because you Americans have a lousy work ethic. They cannot get good American workers.
Are you sure this is the only reason? The drive up to Tahoe can be pretty treacherous, the housing is outrageously high, and well, it can get cold...maybe it's really about American workers not wanting to be paid so little, rather than their work ethic. In the Reno/Tahoe area there are like three, maybe four, workers without a good work ethic.

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3. You who belly ache about illegal immigration forget one basic fact. It is about profits. Since my guess is the biggest bellyachers about immigration are from the Right side of the aisle, you should also be aware that the major corporations whom the Right side of the aisle supports, are huge employers of illegals.
I, one of many who bellyaches, have not forgotten that the blame for crime resides with the criminal.

Illegal immigration is caused by illegal aliens. They are the ones who have crossed the border unlawfully, they are the ones who remain in the US unlawfully, and they are the ones sucking up citizens' taxpayer money to the tune of billions a year. They are to blame. They are the criminals. If corporations employ them, that's a criminal act too and provisions under IRCA provide the remedy. Corporations getted fined, why don't illegal aliens get deported?
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Old 02-05-2007, 12:28 PM
 
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1. Cheap lettuce,, you gotta problem with cheap lettuce? John McCain offered $50,000 to any white man who spent a season in the fields in Yuma picking lettuce, no takers.

2. In the ski areas of Tahoe, the workers come from Brazil, Peru, New Zealand Australia. Legally with permits, but would you like to know why the operators go over seas for their workers? Because you Americans have a lousy work ethic. They cannot get good American workers.

3. You who belly ache about illegal immigration forget one basic fact. It is about profits. Since my guess is the biggest bellyachers about immigration are from the Right side of the aisle, you should also be aware that the major corporations whom the Right side of the aisle supports, are huge employers of illegals.
The areas like Tahoe,Aspen Sun Valley have the rich who are unwilling to pay $10.00-$20.00 an hour to an American citizen when they can get people too work cheaper and don't mind living 20 people to a house. Talk about no affordable housing.
The people of Sun Valley, Idaho found out the hard way when they had fires in their area "The Rich Don't Fight Fires" was the headline of the paper. They have ran off the middle class person in the high end resort, they have no fire fighters.
Most know it's the employers and the rich that are causing most of the cheap labor, you get what you pay for!!
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Old 02-05-2007, 12:49 PM
 
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1. Cheap lettuce,, you gotta problem with cheap lettuce? John McCain offered $50,000 to any white man who spent a season in the fields in Yuma picking lettuce, no takers.

2. In the ski areas of Tahoe, the workers come from Brazil, Peru, New Zealand Australia. Legally with permits, but would you like to know why the operators go over seas for their workers? Because you Americans have a lousy work ethic. They cannot get good American workers.

3. You who belly ache about illegal immigration forget one basic fact. It is about profits. Since my guess is the biggest bellyachers about immigration are from the Right side of the aisle, you should also be aware that the major corporations whom the Right side of the aisle supports, are huge employers of illegals.
I will bet my socks that I can send McCain all the lettuce pickers he wants at $50 grand a year.
You are correct in saying that it is all about profit ( I refer to it as greed ).
It is not that Americans don't work as hard, or will accept manual labor jobs,
the fact is they will not work as cheap.
They cannot work as cheap, they do not share rent with 10 more people, they pay taxes, auto insurance, ect.
Almost any employer could afford to pay their employees double what they pay illegals, that year their profit would only be 9 million instead of 10 million.
I have nothing aginst illegals personally, but I cannot accept them breaking our laws.
I feel they should stay in their own country, and try to improve the situation there instead of trying to change ours.
I know they are an impoverished people, but not nearly as much as many other countries.
The people in these countries are going to have to stand up for themselves and improve their situation on their own, we did, read your history books.
I am not from the right side of the aisle, or the left.
I am for the American citizens, and for leaders who are concerned about what is right for the people instead of what his party stands for.
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Old 02-05-2007, 12:53 PM
 
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Has anybody ever read Reefer Madness?
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:25 PM
 
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Look, McCain made the offer, no one took him up on it, I challenge you to spend one week in the fields, and remember, lettuce cutters are making $20, to 30 an hour.. That is not bad,, try it. The rest of your post rides on that.

You think it is easy, go for it. Just a week.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:25 PM
 
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I must ask again to those with so much sympathy for these poor impoverished people.
How much did you monetarily help to support them or improve their situation?
Surely you are not asking everyone else to do it, if you are not doing it yourself.
Our country helps other countries more than any other country in the world,
but we can not give them our jobs, change our way of life, suppress our wages, allow them to ignore our laws, cost us our tax dollars which a part of has already been sent to some of their countries, ect, ect, ect.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:32 PM
 
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Look, McCain made the offer, no one took him up on it, I challenge you to spend one week in the fields, and remember, lettuce cutters are making $20, to 30 an hour.. That is not bad,, try it. The rest of your post rides on that.

You think it is easy, go for it. Just a week.
Please let me know how to apply for this job, I guarantee I can send him as many employees as he wants at that pay.
These people have been hauling hay, cutting tobacco, and all kinds of fun hard work for less than half that pay.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:34 PM
 
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I like how the illegal defenders always start with the farm workers. Fact is farm workers are not the illegals that everyone is talking about. For decades farms have been able to request temporary visas for farm workers to pick their crops and return to their native country. The problem is that now these temporary workers do not go back. Instead they get jobs in construction or factories displacing American workers.

My neighbors son worked construction out of HS. He was working putting up drywall, not an easy job at all. He enjoyed the work and was able to make a decent living and raise a family. One day his boss called him in and told him he had to accept 1/3 third of his pay of go find another employer. He was making $18 per hour and his boss was able to hire an illegal for $6 per hour. Try living in this country on $6 per hour much less raising a family.
That example is happening in all industries. Illegals are driving down wages and the savings are not being passed down to the consumers. Not to mention the added costs that everyone else has to pay such as, health care, infrastructure, housing, crime, higher insurance, etc.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:41 PM
 
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The areas like Tahoe,Aspen Sun Valley have the rich who are unwilling to pay $10.00-$20.00 an hour to an American citizen when they can get people too work cheaper and don't mind living 20 people to a house. Talk about no affordable housing.
The people of Sun Valley, Idaho found out the hard way when they had fires in their area "The Rich Don't Fight Fires" was the headline of the paper. They have ran off the middle class person in the high end resort, they have no fire fighters.
Most know it's the employers and the rich that are causing most of the cheap labor, you get what you pay for!!
Ummmmmm... do you actually know what you're talking about?? I used to live in Lake Tahoe, where I made a bit above minimum wage cashiering for Heavenly, and about $8.00/hr.+tips delivering food. And I'm a US citizen, born and raised! Most immigrant workers (from a variety of countries) worked at the casinos, restaurants & resorts, and I'm fairly sure they were all legal immigrants. These places had VERY strict hiring policies, including drug tests, proof of citizenship, background checks, etc. - so it's unlikely an illegal could get past all of that. But go ahead and keep making your assumptions, and blaming things on "rich people" and "illegals"... whatever keeps you happy.

Oh, and FYI, the cost-of-living in most of the Lake Tahoe area is still very affordable... I considered moving back up there recently, and was able to find rentals for next to nothing. When I lived there in 1997-99, I had a gorgeous 3-bedroom + loft house for only $900/mo, which was unheard of in San Francisco or L.A.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:43 PM
 
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Ummmmmm... do you actually know what you're talking about?? I used to live in Lake Tahoe, where I made a bit above minimum wage cashiering for Heavenly, and about $8.00/hr.+tips delivering food. And I'm a US citizen, born and raised! Most immigrant workers (from a variety of countries) worked at the casinos, restaurants & resorts, and I'm fairly sure they were all legal immigrants. These places had VERY strict hiring policies, including drug tests, proof of citizenship, background checks, etc. - so it's unlikely an illegal could get past all of that. But go ahead and keep making your assumptions, and blaming things on "rich people" and "illegals"... whatever keeps you happy.

Oh, and FYI, the cost-of-living in most of the Lake Tahoe area is still very affordable... I considered moving back up there recently, and was able to find rentals for next to nothing. When I lived there in 1997-99, I had a gorgeous 3-bedroom + loft house for only $900/mo, which was unheard of in San Francisco or L.A.
UMMMMM!! I don't believe I mentioned illegals in my post!! You must have MONEY not, too many single people can afford $900.00 a month and yes, I do know Tahoe must be why people moved back to the Sacramento area when they couldn't afford Tahoe. The cost of living is high. But, what would people who can afford to live in San Fransico know.
For the most part the resorts import immigrants in and supply them with housing so, that they do have low wage and plenty of workers. I live in a resort town that is building now and see how they are getting the job done fast and cheap.
If the shoe fits wear it!!!
Most single people and kids starting out would find it hard to make a living in parts of California.
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