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Old 09-15-2008, 10:06 AM
 
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Because it makes you sound mean, judgemental, and hostile. It puts you in the position of saying, in effect, that criminals and parasites are "bad". And NOBODY has that right. Criminals and parasites simply look at life from a different perspective than you do. Even criminals and parasites are USUALLY very kind to their mothers...which means they CAN'T be 'bad'..right?
Excuse me, macmeal -- I hate to contradict () you but remember....your average convicted felon of american descent is not allowed to vote. So, call them all the names you want. However illegal law breakers have the potential (unless you live in chicago or la then they have the means) to vote in large numbers. Thus, don't hurt their feelings. Now working class americans who see their incomes and quality of life slipping away --- hell, feel free to call them xenophobes, racists, bible huggers, ignorant trash all you want. They are not organized like our beloved illegal brethern are.

 
Old 09-15-2008, 11:22 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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The Hells Angels are a non-factor. As their website states, "When we do right, nobody remembers. When we do wrong, nobody forgets."

In the 60's they lived up to their reputation. These days, the older "Angels" hold rallies, take trips, and collect toys for tots every Christmas. Hardly MS-13 material.

MS-13 is well documented as being the most violent organization in the world.

You missed the shootout in Laughlin?
 
Old 09-15-2008, 11:58 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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You missed the shootout in Laughlin?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it. Homegrown criminals are not nice people either. Yet the shootout you've homed in on was six years ago! The Laughlin incident in 2002 began because the Mongols attacked the Hell's Angels.

MS-13 has not gone six years without incident...
 
Old 09-15-2008, 12:36 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it. Homegrown criminals are not nice people either. Yet the shootout you've homed in on was six years ago! The Laughlin incident in 2002 began because the Mongols attacked the Hell's Angels.

MS-13 has not gone six years without incident...
And invovled a shoot out in a casino with more than 100 people involved and deaths and injuries.

Hells Angels and the Mongols have certainly aged but they have not mellowed.

There are a continuous set of incidents...just don't make that scale.

I am not aware of any MS13 action on that scale.
 
Old 09-15-2008, 01:19 PM
 
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Driven mostly by the economic downturn which will, inevitably, reverse. Will we be ready? I don't think so. The antis have successfully stopped virtually all useful steps to actually get at the problem. So when the economy turns here they come again.
What 'useful steps to actually get at the problem' have been stopped?
 
Old 09-15-2008, 01:30 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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What 'useful steps to actually get at the problem' have been stopped?

Regularizing the status of virtual all who are here to reduce the remaining illegal population to at most a few hundred thousand.

The number must be low enough that we are actually willing to hunt them down and throw them out.
 
Old 09-15-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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And invovled a shoot out in a casino with more than 100 people involved and deaths and injuries.

Hells Angels and the Mongols have certainly aged but they have not mellowed.

There are a continuous set of incidents...just don't make that scale.

I am not aware of any MS13 action on that scale.
Again--six years ago. Three people died, a dozen went to the hospital. Commuter train accidents cause more damage.

MS-13 is like the Mafia. Those they kill, those they harm--do not always make the evening news. If Americans had any earthly idea how many MS-13 members were currently living in the U.S., they'd never sleep at night.

TUESDAY - June 24, 2008 - TWENTY-SIX MEMBERS OF MS-13 INDICTED ON RACKETEERING, NARCOTICS, EXTORTION AND FIREARMS CHARGES.
Two Members Alleged to Have Committed Gang-Related Murders in Charlotte and Greensboro.


Federal Bureau of Investigation - Charlotte Field Division - Department of Justice Press Release (http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2008/ce062408.htm - broken link)

WEDNESDAY - June 25, 2008 - 3 MS-13 gang members charged in Harris County, Texas death.

Three members of the Salvadorian MS-13 gang were charged with murder Wednesday in the stabbing death of a man found dumped in a west Harris County street. Eliseo Perez, Carlos Rodriguez and Joaquin Guevara — all 20 years old — were each charged in the stabbing death of Ernesto Garcia, 26, which was discovered Sunday, Harris County Sheriff's Office homicide detectives said. All three have been arrested. Garcia was found about 1 a.m., lying in the road at Mounds and Fry.

Read more at chron.com (Houston Chronicle)

April 2008 - MS-13 Member is Convicted in July Death

A Prince George's County jury convicted a member of the violent street gang MS-13 yesterday in the July slaying of a young man in Riverdale Park.

Prosecutors in the office of State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey alleged that Mario Rodriguez-Gutierrez, 19, fatally shot a stranger to make a name for himself and for his gang. The victim, Francisco Quintanilla, also 19, was not in a gang, authorities said.

MS-13 Member Is Convicted In July Death - washingtonpost.com

MS-13 implicated in the death of 19 month old Aiden Naquin.

Street gang expert Mike Knox says of the notorious MS-13 gang, now known to be operating in thirty-one states, that its members -- illegal aliens from El Salvadore and other Central America countries -- "... trade in violence (and) want people to believe that they are more violent than any other street gang."

A member of MS-13, 19-year old Miguel Angel Castro, being held by Houston police on suspicion of capital murder, claimed the life of Aiden Naquin -- a toddler who took two bullets in the head from one of five shots that Castro allegedly fired into the windshield of Aiden's father's car last Tuesday night, while the youngster sat strapped helplessly in a child's car seat in the backseat of the car.

MS-13 Gang Causes Concern in Houston; Arrests Come After National Crackdown - Law Enforcement News

Lawyer Admits Client's Guilt in MS-13 Killing of Pregnant Teen

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - Four members of the notorious MS-13 street gang who are facing the death penalty for killing a pregnant teenager they believed was a snitch offered starkly different defenses Monday as their trial began.

Lawyer Admits Client's Guilt in MS-13 Killing of Pregnant Teen

Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) Blamed In Death Of Three

In an almost terroristic fashion of screaming Allah Akbar before committing murder, witnesses say that members of the notoriously vicious Mara Salvatrucha screamed their gang name before opening fire killing three men and wounding one in Adelphi, Maryland.

Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) Blamed In Death Of Three : Diggers Realm

Yep, MS-13 certainly does nothing on as grand a scale as the six year old incident perpetrated by the Hell's Angels and the Mongols do they?

Oy, wake up man! These are only a few of hundreds of documented instances of crime perpetrated by MS-13 members in the last three years. I could have posted five pages worth. I doubt I could get more than a couple of lousy paragraphs out of the aging Hell's Angels, who have been on a massive PR bent in the last five years. They're working at keeping their noses clean. I have many family members who live the biker lifestyle. The Hell's Angels are working to change their image. They hold charitable functions with proceeds going to kid's charities, etc. They may have a few renegade members, but as a whole, they're going the way of the 60's flower children.
 
Old 09-15-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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MS-13 is very active in Arizona - particularly in the Phoenix and Tucson area -
 
Old 09-15-2008, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Regularizing the status of virtual all who are here to reduce the remaining illegal population to at most a few hundred thousand.

The number must be low enough that we are actually willing to hunt them down and throw them out.
If that came to pass--------amnestying several million illegals may touch off a civil war here in the USA.

Although with the deepening recession; it may be safer politically to crank up mass deportations.
 
Old 09-15-2008, 01:58 PM
 
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If that came to pass--------amnestying several million illegals may touch off a civil war here in the USA.

Although with the deepening recession; it may be safer politically to crank up mass deportations.
I agree.
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