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Old 09-20-2008, 10:33 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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The rest of us tend to post links to credible sources to back our outrageous claims. However, you expect us to swallow whatever you have to throw out there, hook, line, and sinker, simply because (apparently) your opinion trumps fact.

Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody's got one.
And only some of you are capable of believing that California is going bankrupt driven by illegals. Given such a warped frame of reference rational facts are not relevant.

I can't cite a source that CA is not dropping into the Pacific next week either. But I would be willing to strongly opine it will not happen.

 
Old 09-20-2008, 10:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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And only some of you are capable of believing that California is going bankrupt driven by illegals. Given such a warped frame of reference rational facts are not relevant.

I can't cite a source that CA is not dropping into the Pacific next week either. But I would be willing to strongly opine it will not happen.
Goody for you--at least you're finally able to admit that rational facts are not relevant to you--we've known that for quite awhile. Admitting your problem is the first step to resolution.

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Old 09-20-2008, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
State's "cheap labor" costs average household $1,183 a year


Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually
 
Old 09-20-2008, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes stricter immigration policies.

Jack Martin, who wrote the report, said Thursday that the $9 billion figure does not include other expenses that are difficult to measure, such as special English instruction, school lunch programs, and welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal immigrant workers.


Cost of illegal immigration in California estimated at nearly $9 billion : North County Times - Californian (http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/19_56_5812_5_04.txt - broken link)
 
Old 09-20-2008, 10:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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A few more irrelevant factoids:

Illegal immigrants are bankrupting our hospitals - Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/a-1510775~Illegal_immigrants_are_bankrupting_our_hos pitals.html - broken link)
 
Old 09-20-2008, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Hospitals Feeling Strain From Illegal Immigrants

Hospitals Feeling Strain From Illegal Immigrants - New York Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE6DB133CF936A1575BC0A9649C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all - broken link)
 
Old 09-20-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Goody for you--at least you're finally able to admit that rational facts are not relevant to you--we've known that for quite awhile. Admitting your problem is the first step to resolution.
olecapt is a Troll-------------pure and simple.
 
Old 09-20-2008, 01:26 PM
 
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Now illegal lover obama is running radio and tv ads in spanish.

English may have never been made the "official" language of
the U.S. but it sure the he## should have been!

imagine 30/40 years ago and someone running for president
spoke in spanish... they would have run him out of town!
 
Old 09-20-2008, 01:33 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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olecapt is a Troll-------------pure and simple.

Actually Bear you Kele and certainly GD are trolls and bullies. You advocate a narrow positions and attempt to beat any oppositon into submission.

The FAIR numbers are pure propaganda. They include effectively 9 billion dollars of educations and medical care. That is a perfectly normal cost and the sum listed is mostly encountered by US citizens.

If one includes the payroll taxes paid by the illegals the number will turn positive.

Under any circumstances the numbers are normal expenditures paid by any state and local government for the education and medical care of their residents. That has nothing to do with the financial distress of CA. That is much more driven by such things as enormous prison guard payrolls paid outlandish salaries.
 
Old 09-20-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Actually Bear you Kele and certainly GD are trolls and bullies. You advocate a narrow positions and attempt to beat any oppositon into submission.

The FAIR numbers are pure propaganda. They include effectively 9 billion dollars of educations and medical care. That is a perfectly normal cost and the sum listed is mostly encountered by US citizens.

If one includes the payroll taxes paid by the illegals the number will turn positive.

Under any circumstances the numbers are normal expenditures paid by any state and local government for the education and medical care of their residents. That has nothing to do with the financial distress of CA. That is much more driven by such things as enormous prison guard payrolls paid outlandish salaries.
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