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Old 02-11-2007, 02:07 PM
 
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The KKK is a Christian organization.

Amazing, yes?
Which makes the Klan the Christian version of Hezbollah or Hamas.

 
Old 02-11-2007, 05:57 PM
 
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Which makes the Klan the Christian version of Hezbollah or Hamas.
Not quite, but in a way. The KKK definitely does not stack up to Hamas or Hezbollah today, but maybe back 50+ years ago in its heyday. Even then, I think its a stretch. They are a despised group in this country today and will never recieve popular support, no matter how bad the immigration problem gets. Plus, this a small time organization made up of a bunch of rag-tag tiny groups spread across the country (mostly south) and they haven't done anything in recent years to make any law enforcement people be seriously worried. There are much bigger and nastier organizations to worry about.
 
Old 02-14-2007, 11:15 PM
 
Location: N.Y.C.
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if i know real true blue proud to be americans
this will never happen real americans dont just sit down and take violence against them when they are really hit with this hatred we will fight back with a vengeance
also i think we should all try to put up our own organizations in our neighborhoods to help out and donate some money to the
wake up america foundation cause what i saw on that site made me sick to my stomach and so angry about these monsters
 
Old 02-15-2007, 12:24 AM
 
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Do people here actually consider the KKK some sort of threat today? Let’s use some common sense.

You are much more likely to be violently attacked by the 15% of the population that commits 48% of the crime.

Hell, we are not even aware of the "Hispanic" crime rate because it is included in the White crime rate (then why do we count Black if "Hispanic" is the country's largest minority?)

The KKK is nothing in this country. But either way, Americans are sick of being flooded with Third World immigrants, both illegal and legal, who refuse to conform to our country and do nothing leech off our welfare system and cause gangs and crimes. Where is the benefit? Why is this being FORCED on us when we don't want it?
 
Old 02-15-2007, 02:32 AM
 
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Do people here actually consider the KKK some sort of threat today?

All it takes is one person to influence many. All they have to do is appear to have good ideals...

Look at Hitler. He appeared to have good ideals for the German nation. And look what happened. One person/group can cause quite a ruckus no matter how many people are in them.

I really couldn't care who the person is. Where they are from... But if all their intentions are, are to join a gang and hurt people... You really have no place on the Earth...

People were not created to kill/hurt other people... But bad influence causes things to happen... Then all types of horrid people come about.

Gangs are bad mmkay. Everyone can come to that conclusion... HOPEFULLY...

The KKK are nothing, but people wearing cheap pillow sheets on their faces. They are nothing short of terrorists because they are scared to show their faces... Because if they did and it got out on TV. Sucks to be them.

Any gang is a problem, if you're going to report on the problems of them.. Report on all of them. Don't focus on one. That takes away from all the other problems.
 
Old 02-15-2007, 03:07 AM
 
Location: The Bronx
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No, the KKK is old news.

However, other stuff is going on. "Aryan Nations" graffiti is showing up in the areas our troops are occupying in Iraq. That is very ominous.

Imagine them infiltrating our miltary...gaining access to weapons...becoming more of a paramilitary organization. That is how the National Socialists got started.

People be vigilant.
 
Old 02-15-2007, 03:21 AM
 
Location: The Bronx
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if i know real true blue proud to be americans
this will never happen real americans dont just sit down and take violence against them when they are really hit with this hatred we will fight back with a vengeance
also i think we should all try to put up our own organizations in our neighborhoods to help out and donate some money to the
wake up america foundation cause what i saw on that site made me sick to my stomach and so angry about these monsters

Once, I was in San Fran, and I picked up this newspaper from some outfit that called itself the White Aryan Resistance. I took it home and read it.

These people have some idea that they represent White Civilization. What I read in this thing didn't represent any civilization, white or otherwise. It was ignorant trash, from a bunch of riff raff who'd go do violence at the drop of a hat, but couldn't be bothered to read a book.

Another time, some guy showed me this catalog from the KKK, or someone who said they were. There were a bunch of stickers he was selling, you were supposed to stick them up places, so people would see them and get the creeps. Can you imagine? How gutless can people get?

These people feel inferior, so they buy into this crap. Once upon a time, I felt inferior...but I read books instead. I have no college degree, I never studied philosophy or literature in college. But I've gotten so that I can understand a lot of it, talk to people about it, though I still have plenty to learn. But, I feel like I understand what goes on, to some extent, so I don't hate.

That hate is like a cheap rock somebody buys on the street corner to feel good. Not worth a damn.
 
Old 02-15-2007, 08:43 PM
 
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No, the KKK is old news.

However, other stuff is going on. "Aryan Nations" graffiti is showing up in the areas our troops are occupying in Iraq. That is very ominous.

Imagine them infiltrating our miltary...gaining access to weapons...becoming more of a paramilitary organization. That is how the National Socialists got started.

People be vigilant.
This actually was the case in the mid-90's, if you recall some of those separatist groups out in Montana and Idaho, etc. The government came down hard on these groups and either ran them out financially or arrested them on weapons charges. I think this problem is really over-blown by the media, because they always put these guys as the main villians in movies and TV shows, when in reality no American can remember the last time neo-nazi's threatened to blow up our major cities with nukes.

This is the one group we can constantly use as enemies because they are universally accepted that way. When we have Jihad terrorists as the main villians in the show '24', guess what happens? That's right, we have civil rights attornies suing the networks saying this is racist and biased against arabs/muslims. Nobody is suing in response to the skinheads being portrayed this way. All this KKK and neo-nazi business is just garbage. This is just a way for the media to create a few headlines and sell some extra papers. IMO there is no national security threat being posed by any of these idiot groups. Shouldn't we be a little more worried about gang violence, terrorism, and immigration? That's just my 2-cents.
 
Old 02-15-2007, 09:39 PM
 
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The illegals ... have a lot of people fired up, not just in thses forums. From East to West and North to South and people are tired of it because our government is not doing anything about it. Every where I go the subject about Mexicans comes up, someone is always talking about it. It's became a nation wide problem, if the KKK gets a lot of support nation wide it won't surprise me one bit. It may just take something like this to wake Washington up, because they're not paying attention to the people of this country... we have been sold out by our own government. The American people are taking a back seat, the illegals are now riding up front... and the America people are tired of it.
Jim gets at the root of the problem - nature abhors a vacuum. Our government’s lousy track record at the border is equal to a black-hole of a vacuum. Idiots like the KKK will try to seize on a vacuum so as to increase their influence. If our leaders for the past 20 years had paid attention to running OUR government, and running it well, this immigration mess would not be happening. But they didn't. So a vacuum developed along the borders. First the AZ Minutemen tried to fill it, now the mental midgets of the KKK are trying to cash in on our anger. I'll save my anger for my elected mental midgets.

Digression: IMO, for private citizens like the "Minutemen" to try helping at the border is as sad a situation as I can think of. We are truly a laughing stock around the world. Some laugh at our impotent government. Some laugh at us for what we elect, keep re-electing, and for how we swallow the empty promises out of Bush and other corrupt political types. Our government is failing us so badly that a bunch of fed up people had to go out there on their own time & own dime and do the damned job because our leaders aren't leading. If that isn't flat out pitiful I don't know what is. End of digression.

With our leaders too busy porking out tax breaks for millionaires, big business, and vested interests, no one has been minding the border since the amnesty in 1986. This in not just Bush, it goes back to Clinton/Gore too, with that silly crap about "re-invention" and "right-sizing" of government, all intended to cut government expenses, so they can give tax cuts to the connected few. This is especially true in "no new taxes" budget environment where they can grant a tax break of $50M to someone, but ONLY if they cut government operations by $50M... so out goes work on new immigration systems to automate tracking of immigrants and foreign students, out goes border patrol jobs, out goes FBI anti-terrorism and related software efforts... out goes real airport security and in comes airlines or local governments running airport security... and letting them contract out airport security, all the time betting on 'rosy scenario' to save us from disaster...

On 9-11-2001, I was at my desk in the Pentagon... terrorists came across the border from Canada that morning... only ONE guard was on duty at that border crossing station, and was poorly equipped to do much of anything. We all know what happened next. Our leaders are half to blame. The damage is partly self-inflicted. I have seen the effect of politicians who get elected on that old "vote for me and I'll cut your taxes" crap. I've seen the effect of "less government is best government."

Immigration "reform" has gone nowhere. Bush and Rove are banking that we forget about it. Their game plan is a far-right agenda of cheap labor and union busting and taking us back to the "scrap heap of labor" that we knew 100+ years ago (read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"). Fixing immigration reform will not go anywhere unless each of us get off our ass and write our leaders and call our leaders and demand our leaders fix it. Or we vote ALL of them out of office in 2 years, both sides of the aisle, all 435 in the House must go if they don't, as one House, step up and solve the issues that face us.

Unless its FIXED, and fixed well, we should consider this voting strategy: DON'T RE-ELECT ANYONE.

s/Mike
 
Old 02-16-2007, 10:28 AM
 
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This actually was the case in the mid-90's, if you recall some of those separatist groups out in Montana and Idaho, etc. The government came down hard on these groups and either ran them out financially or arrested them on weapons charges. I think this problem is really over-blown by the media, because they always put these guys as the main villians in movies and TV shows, when in reality no American can remember the last time neo-nazi's threatened to blow up our major cities with nukes.

This is the one group we can constantly use as enemies because they are universally accepted that way. When we have Jihad terrorists as the main villians in the show '24', guess what happens? That's right, we have civil rights attornies suing the networks saying this is racist and biased against arabs/muslims. Nobody is suing in response to the skinheads being portrayed this way. All this KKK and neo-nazi business is just garbage. This is just a way for the media to create a few headlines and sell some extra papers. IMO there is no national security threat being posed by any of these idiot groups. Shouldn't we be a little more worried about gang violence, terrorism, and immigration? That's just my 2-cents.
You may very well be right about the story I saw. Might have been a slow news day.

But, I saw another story. This one was about some guy with a nasty criminal record enlisting in the military, and passing their minimal screening process.
Subsequently, he and some cronies of his raped some 12 year old Iraqi girl, then killed her and her entire family. They're all awaiting trial now.

When the military starts accepting guys like this and giving them automatic weapons, something ain't right. Having the world see Americans do that sort of thing encourages terrorism in a big way. We're supposed to be the good guys.

In response to another point you make, the news media's overblown hype regarding "right wing extremists" was partly responsible for that David Koresh fiasco at Waco. The documentary film, "Waco: Rules of Engagement" is a real eye opener. If you ask me, Janet Reno should have been indicted.

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