Doing The Jobs Americans Won't Do (immigrate, Hispanic, borders, dollar)

[jcaranda]

jones...I may not think what I'm saying is the best in the world,but i'm tired of hearing people whine, gripe and complain about how they don't have a job because an illegal immigrant took it...well maybe they should be looking for other jobs instead of using their time to be on this forum griping and complaining...and whoever said that I can't see the other side of the picture needs to rethink because I'm a product of ONE illegal immigrant...let me remind you, my mother is American and my dad was an illegal immigrant (Honduran) originally, so last time I checked I have 2 parents on both sides of the categories, and as a matter of a fact my dad has been legal since 1986, so there are no illegal immigrants in my immediate family; however, I do have some uncles who are here illegally only b/c they have to feed their starving children in Honduras...without them working in the US, my family in Honduras would not have any money for food, medical, basic needs...hell my aunt called my dad to send her some money for glasses because she couldn't see! They don't have the luxurieswe americans have. They would kill to have a minimum wagejob. I DO NOT BLAME ANY IMMIGRANTS FOR COMING HERE ILLEGALLY REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT MY FATHER WAS ORIGINALLY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BECAUSE IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME DAMN THING!

[mollies mom]

Originally Posted by jcaranda

jones...I may not think what I'm saying is the best in the world,but i'm tired of hearing people whine, gripe and complain about how they don't have a job because an illegal immigrant took it...well maybe they should be looking for other jobs instead of using their time to be on this forum griping and complaining...and whoever said that I can't see the other side of the picture needs to rethink because I'm a product of ONE illegal immigrant...let me remind you, my mother is American and my dad was an illegal immigrant (Honduran) originally, so last time I checked I have 2 parents on both sides of the categories, and as a matter of a fact my dad has been legal since 1986, so there are no illegal immigrants in my immediate family; however, I do have some uncles who are here illegally only b/c they have to feed their starving children in Honduras...without them working in the US, my family in Honduras would not have any money for food, medical, basic needs...hell my aunt called my dad to send her some money for glasses because she couldn't see! They don't have the luxurieswe americans have. They would kill to have a minimum wagejob. I DO NOT BLAME ANY IMMIGRANTS FOR COMING HERE ILLEGALLY REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT MY FATHER WAS ORIGINALLY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BECAUSE IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME DAMN THING!

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Which all goes to show that you have no respect for our laws or us even tho you were born here. Would you like it if your neighbor decided that you had better furniture than they had and just came into your home and took it? I think you'd be yelling about the illegality of his actions............breaking the law is breaking the law and nothing justifies it. As far as I know we have laws on the books concerning illegal immigration........if there were no laws we wouldn't be having this conversation...........we don't get to pick and choose which laws we will obey. If you loose your job and are hungry does that give you the right to go steal food........of course not, there would be penalties to pay for your actions........the same goes for illegal residents here, the penalty is for them to be deported, always has been, we are upholding them to the laws as anyone else would be...........they are asking for special treatment, if they get it then what next.......murderers get a reprieve if it was an elderly person they killed because after all the victim was at the end of their life anyway. Laws are supposed to be made for all not for the select to follow and no one group is supposed to receive preferential treatment.

[chele123]

Originally Posted by jcaranda

jones...I may not think what I'm saying is the best in the world,but i'm tired of hearing people whine, gripe and complain about how they don't have a job because an illegal immigrant took it...well maybe they should be looking for other jobs instead of using their time to be on this forum griping and complaining...and whoever said that I can't see the other side of the picture needs to rethink because I'm a product of ONE illegal immigrant...let me remind you, my mother is American and my dad was an illegal immigrant (Honduran) originally, so last time I checked I have 2 parents on both sides of the categories, and as a matter of a fact my dad has been legal since 1986, so there are no illegal immigrants in my immediate family; however, I do have some uncles who are here illegally only b/c they have to feed their starving children in Honduras...without them working in the US, my family in Honduras would not have any money for food, medical, basic needs...hell my aunt called my dad to send her some money for glasses because she couldn't see! They don't have the luxurieswe americans have. They would kill to have a minimum wagejob. I DO NOT BLAME ANY IMMIGRANTS FOR COMING HERE ILLEGALLY REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT MY FATHER WAS ORIGINALLY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BECAUSE IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME DAMN THING!

That is what FAMILY is for, to help each other. You and your family should be sending money to your poor family members, it is only right. It is your responsibility. It is NOT the responsiblity of the United States to take care of your family or grant amnesty to the illegal aliens in your family. It is against the law for your uncles to be here, did you now that? It is actually against the law to shelter an illegal immigrant, did you know that? It is actually against the law for you to harbor a criminal, did you know that?
Desperation is no reason to break the law. If that was the case we could empty the majority of our prisons.

[Davart]

Originally Posted by jcaranda

jones...I may not think what I'm saying is the best in the world,but i'm tired of hearing people whine, gripe and complain about how they don't have a job because an illegal immigrant took it...well maybe they should be looking for other jobs instead of using their time to be on this forum griping and complaining...and whoever said that I can't see the other side of the picture needs to rethink because I'm a product of ONE illegal immigrant...let me remind you, my mother is American and my dad was an illegal immigrant (Honduran) originally, so last time I checked I have 2 parents on both sides of the categories, and as a matter of a fact my dad has been legal since 1986, so there are no illegal immigrants in my immediate family; however, I do have some uncles who are here illegally only b/c they have to feed their starving children in Honduras...without them working in the US, my family in Honduras would not have any money for food, medical, basic needs...hell my aunt called my dad to send her some money for glasses because she couldn't see! They don't have the luxurieswe americans have. They would kill to have a minimum wagejob. I DO NOT BLAME ANY IMMIGRANTS FOR COMING HERE ILLEGALLY REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT MY FATHER WAS ORIGINALLY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BECAUSE IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME DAMN THING!

So what they should do is to come to our country ILLEGALLY and break the law? ... Instead of taking control of there own country and making a better life at home ... kind of like what we did here 230 years ago. ... GOT IT!

[Jones/S]

Originally Posted by jcaranda

jones...I may not think what I'm saying is the best in the world,but i'm tired of hearing people whine, gripe and complain about how they don't have a job because an illegal immigrant took it...well maybe they should be looking for other jobs instead of using their time to be on this forum griping and complaining...and whoever said that I can't see the other side of the picture needs to rethink because I'm a product of ONE illegal immigrant...let me remind you, my mother is American and my dad was an illegal immigrant (Honduran) originally, so last time I checked I have 2 parents on both sides of the categories, and as a matter of a fact my dad has been legal since 1986, so there are no illegal immigrants in my immediate family; however, I do have some uncles who are here illegally only b/c they have to feed their starving children in Honduras...without them working in the US, my family in Honduras would not have any money for food, medical, basic needs...hell my aunt called my dad to send her some money for glasses because she couldn't see! They don't have the luxurieswe americans have. They would kill to have a minimum wagejob. I DO NOT BLAME ANY IMMIGRANTS FOR COMING HERE ILLEGALLY REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT MY FATHER WAS ORIGINALLY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT BECAUSE IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME DAMN THING!

For Example. You got a nice job.... with 60k in year ok? Then you have been fried because an illegal guy took your job, for 10k in year. So, and now? You have to find another job, right? But, you won't find a job, like your last job, with 60k. What are you doing then? Now you have to move in a dirty house, because you can't afford your old house. Then you have to sell your stuff...for example your nice Car. The reason is, because of all those stupid illegal pople in USA, who take all these jobs, and they are too stupid to fix their own country. I think, you will be the first one, who will be yelling and crying. I'm from germany. Ok? I came to Usa to study drafting and design, But, I can't find a job, because I dont speak spanish. I say, go back to Mexico or whatever and fix it with all these other illegal people. So. do like your country? If yes dont give up your country and fight for it. I guess ull have a better life there.

[jcaranda]

Originally Posted by chele123

That is what FAMILY is for, to help each other. You and your family should be sending money to your poor family members, it is only right. It is your responsibility. It is NOT the responsiblity of the United States to take care of your family or grant amnesty to the illegal aliens in your family. It is against the law for your uncles to be here, did you now that? It is actually against the law to shelter an illegal immigrant, did you know that? It is actually against the law for you to harbor a criminal, did you know that?
Desperation is no reason to break the law. If that was the case we could empty the majority of our prisons.

I never said it was the United States' responsibility to spoon feed my family, which they most certainly do not. My uncles EARN their living through blood, sweat and tears and do not get a dime in return from the United States government...so yeah, I don't think the gov't is handing them money...instead, they are working their butts off...which I guess, unfortunately, is the way it should be until they can become citizens, since they were not given the "blessing from above" by being born in the United States, which many of you guys seem to think. I do know its against the law for them to be here, but MORALLY, they have EVERY right to be here, and I back them 100% hands down! They don't live with us so we are not sheltering nor harbouring them.

[jcaranda]

Originally Posted by mollies mom

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Which all goes to show that you have no respect for our laws or us even tho you were born here. Would you like it if your neighbor decided that you had better furniture than they had and just came into your home and took it? I think you'd be yelling about the illegality of his actions............breaking the law is breaking the law and nothing justifies it. As far as I know we have laws on the books concerning illegal immigration........if there were no laws we wouldn't be having this conversation...........we don't get to pick and choose which laws we will obey. If you loose your job and are hungry does that give you the right to go steal food........of course not, there would be penalties to pay for your actions........the same goes for illegal residents here, the penalty is for them to be deported, always has been, we are upholding them to the laws as anyone else would be...........they are asking for special treatment, if they get it then what next.......murderers get a reprieve if it was an elderly person they killed because after all the victim was at the end of their life anyway. Laws are supposed to be made for all not for the select to follow and no one group is supposed to receive preferential treatment.

I never said we had the right to pick and choose which laws we obeyed. Maybe you can say that to yourself the next time you choose to run a red light or speed.

[chele123]

Originally Posted by jcaranda

I never said it was the United States' responsibility to spoon feed my family, which they most certainly do not. My uncles EARN their living through blood, sweat and tears and do not get a dime in return from the United States government...so yeah, I don't think the gov't is handing them money...instead, they are working their butts off...which I guess, unfortunately, is the way it should be until they can become citizens, since they were not given the "blessing from above" by being born in the United States, which many of you guys seem to think. I do know its against the law for them to be here, but MORALLY, they have EVERY right to be here, and I back them 100% hands down! They don't live with us so we are not sheltering nor harbouring them.

You are missing the point that as illegal aliens they actually do NOT have any right to be here.

[jcaranda]

Originally Posted by chele123

You are missing the point that as illegal aliens they actually do NOT have any right to be here.

Maybe not legally, but morally they do. Which is why I'm debating this in the first place...I think America needs to change the laws on immigration, they should have a long time ago...let me remind you its the govt's fault that there are so many illegal aliens here. I think America should allow anyone, of any nationality, who desires to work, prosper and make the United States a better place, amnesty;however, if they commit a felony, they should go back to their mother country.
Anyways, back to the subject , I honestly would like to know if anyone out there knows an American who is desperate for a job working in the fields and living at a migrant camp! If someone does, I stand corrected...(and please don't say your teens are dying to have a job picking crops). I've seen homeless people, and I don't even think they want a job picking crops and living in a migrant camp or else they would not be homeless.

[mollies mom]

Originally Posted by jcaranda

I never said we had the right to pick and choose which laws we obeyed. Maybe you can say that to yourself the next time you choose to run a red light or speed.

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Not that it's your business but I have never in almost 40 years of operating a motor vechile had an accident or any kind of ticket, parking, speeding or otherwise, because I firmily beleive that all our laws are made to be followed whether we agree with them or not. If you don't agree with them then do something to change them but in no case should it be after an offender has deliberately broken them. When one of my children thought it was cool to speed and he got a ticket he couldn't pay I didn't pay it for him, you do the crime you do the time and he did...........800 hours of community service at the community waste station, not fun in the blazing summer heat of the deep south..........he also had to pay the ticket in time payments. He did the crime he did the time, no difference for him even if he is my child, his actions were reckless and he could have killed someone by speeding. His father could have probably gotten the charges reduced but they both knew they had to live in a house with me and the way I feel about things like that. I am not picking on your particular family even tho you seem to think I am, I have met plenty of illegal immigrants that are a total joy and plenty of them I would pick over some of our legal residents any day but the fact is they, with forethought, deliberately broke the standing laws of this country and as such our law says they should be deported and we as a country are obligated to uphold those laws otherwise chaos reigns. I understand the poverty they live in having been there at times in my life too but never did I even think about taking something that belonged to anyone else or that I wasn't entitled to, to feed myself or my kids. I am sorry that certain members of your family are caught in the middle of this but to change our policies in mid-stream and say "the laws don't count for these particular people" sets a precedent that I think would do more damage than good, whats good for one should be good for all.