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Old 09-18-2007, 03:10 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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These Senators Won't Pledge Vote Against DREAM Amnesty

It will take 41 NO votes to kill the DREAM Act Amnesty (SA 2237) expected for a vote this week. At the beginning of this hour, only 18 Senators have committed to vote NO.

SENATORS MOST IN NEED OF PHONE CALLS


The senators noted below voted NO on the Comprehensive Amnesty in June, but have not yet pledged to vote NO on the DREAM Act amnesty.


Phone them by contacting the Senate switchboard at 202-224-3121.


Alaska: Murkowski, Stevens
Arkansas: Pryor
Colorado: Allard
Idaho: Crapo
Indiana: Bayh
Iowa: Grassley, Harkin
Kansas: Brownback
Louisiana: Landrieu
Maine: Collins
Michigan: Stabenow
Minnesota: Coleman
Mississippi: Cochran
Missouri: Bond, McCaskill
Montana: Baucus, Tester
Nebraska: Nelson (Ben)
Nevada: Ensign
New Hampshire: Sununu
New Mexico: Bingaman, Domenici
North Dakota: Dorgan
Ohio: Brown, Voinovich
Oklahoma: Coburn
Oregon: Smith
South Dakota: *Johnson, Thune
Texas: Cornyn, Hutchison
Utah: Hatch
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Warner, Webb
West Virginia: Byrd, Rockefeller
Wyoming: Barrasso


(Senators in bold print have pledged to vote YES on the amnesty.)

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The entire stats can be seen at NumbersUSA (http://www.numbersusa.com/index - broken link)

I know this is grueling but we cannot give up and we MUST MAKE THESE CALLS THE REST OF THIS WEEK!
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Seriously what is with our government?! What do we have to beat them with a stick to be heard?
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:27 PM
 
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Seriously what is with our government?! What do we have to beat them with a stick to be heard?
start voting them out of office...
to bad they can't be fired!
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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start voting them out of office...
to bad they can't be fired!
Thats the issue, i do vote them out, seems as though many others that vote them back in have not got the message. Kinda like the future presidential election.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:34 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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One thing I have said in all these calls is:

I am confused why Senator _______ has not voiced his stand on the Dream Act yet. It seems simple to me. Does Senator ________ believe he was elected by Americans to represent Americans or does he believe he was elected by Americans to represent foreigners?

I wanted to write a letter to the editor about the Dream Act and needed to know this senator's position. Should I just say he has not decided who he represents, Americans workers or foreign workers?

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After this they usually at least try to give me more information.

Last edited by citigirl; 09-18-2007 at 03:38 PM.. Reason: gimmie an "e"
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Old 09-18-2007, 05:57 PM
 
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What are we supposed to say to these senators or their representatives once we have them on the line?
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:19 PM
 
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Tell them to either vote NO or start sending their resumes out because they will be without a job if they vote yes.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:42 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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These Senators Won't Pledge Vote Against DREAM Amnesty

It will take 41 NO votes to kill the DREAM Act Amnesty (SA 2237) expected for a vote this week. At the beginning of this hour, only 18 Senators have committed to vote NO.

SENATORS MOST IN NEED OF PHONE CALLS


The senators noted below voted NO on the Comprehensive Amnesty in June, but have not yet pledged to vote NO on the DREAM Act amnesty.


Phone them by contacting the Senate switchboard at 202-224-3121.


Alaska: Murkowski, Stevens
Arkansas: Pryor
Colorado: Allard
Idaho: Crapo
Indiana: Bayh
Iowa: Grassley, Harkin
Kansas: Brownback
Louisiana: Landrieu
Maine: Collins
Michigan: Stabenow
Minnesota: Coleman
Mississippi: Cochran
Missouri: Bond, McCaskill
Montana: Baucus, Tester
Nebraska: Nelson (Ben)
Nevada: Ensign
New Hampshire: Sununu
New Mexico: Bingaman, Domenici
North Dakota: Dorgan
Ohio: Brown, Voinovich
Oklahoma: Coburn
Oregon: Smith
South Dakota: *Johnson, Thune
Texas: Cornyn, Hutchison
Utah: Hatch
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Warner, Webb
West Virginia: Byrd, Rockefeller
Wyoming: Barrasso


(Senators in bold print have pledged to vote YES on the amnesty.)

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The entire stats can be seen at NumbersUSA (http://www.numbersusa.com/index - broken link)

I know this is grueling but we cannot give up and we MUST MAKE THESE CALLS THE REST OF THIS WEEK!


my suggestion is to remind each senator you call of the oath they took upon taking office,
[LEFT]"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

the key words here," i do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the costitution of the united states against all enemies , foreign and domestic...."

this statement does not only hold true to terrorists, this also aplies to illegal immigration.

remind them that illegal immigration is a crime against the united states and it's citizens, and remind them again of the oath they took...remind them of 9-11, and what our pourous borders gave to america.

as i see it, if they fail to do their duty, or refuse to honor that duty, then they should not hold the office.

america is at war...and securing our borders is a matter of national security...no questions asked.no matter what nationality the illegal.
it is time we force them to live up to the role of being our nations defenders.
call, email , snail mail, protest...whatever it takes to make them hear your voice.[/LEFT]
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:48 PM
 
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Default NEW Talking Points to Stop the DREAM ACT AMNESTY

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What are we supposed to say to these senators or their representatives once we have them on the line?
This will give you some ideas:


NEW Talking Points to Stop the DREAM ACT AMNESTY


The DREAM Act (Amendment 2237 to the Defense Authorization bill) is a nightmare. It is a massive amnesty that extends to the millions of illegal aliens who entered the United States before the age of 16.
The DREAM Act allows illegal "teens" to petition for their parents, leading eventually to their aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins:

The big argument for this amnesty is that it is for teenagers who are here illegally because their parents broke the law. As you will see in later bullet points, far more than teens can get this amnesty. Nonetheless, the argument is that the teenagers should not be punished for the crimes of their parents.

But as soon as DREAM amnesty citizens are over 21, they can bring in their parents who broke the law to get them into the country. The chief criminals will be rewarded after all.

And because of Chain Migration, the amnestied "teens" can see their aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents getting permanent U.S. residency as well.


The DREAM Act does not Protect Americans from Terrorists and Criminals:

Illegal immigrants are not required to submit fingerprints or undergo background security checks at any point in the DREAM Act process. Therefore, DHS has no way of learning whether an alien seeking DREAM Act amnesty is a terrorist or criminal. This security failure is compounded by the confidentiality section of the DREAM Act, which is a relic from pre-9/11 days (it’s modeled on the fraud-prone 1986 amnesty). This section basically requires DHS to hide information about terrorist and criminal aliens from itself. If a DHS adjudicator at USCIS learns from a DREAM Act application that an alien poses terrorist or criminal concerns, the adjudicator is prohibited from alerting ICE enforcement officers at DHS, and in fact, if the adjudicator did volunteer such information to ICE, he could be fined $10,000. To cap it all, DHS is prohibited from removing from the United States all aliens, including criminals, terrorists, fraudsters, and other ineligible aliens while they have a DREAM Act application pending, even if that application is based upon fraud or the alien is ineligible.


The DREAM Act Offers Citizenship to Illegal Aliens Who Lack Good Moral Character:

The DREAM Act does not require that aliens have a history of good moral character; it only requires that they have good moral character from the time that they apply. This means that criminal aliens, terrorists, and other aliens who lack good moral character before they apply get an amnesty for their pre-application period conduct, no matter how bad or extensive that conduct.


The DREAM Act is Not Just for Young People:

Sponsors insist that the point of the DREAM Act is to provide legal status to “kids” and “young people.” However, the DREAM Act is not directed at minors, as there is no age cap involved. Anyone, regardless of age, who illegally entered the United States before the age of 16 and has illegally remained here for 5 years or more will qualify for lawful permanent residence (and eventual citizenship) if they satisfy the easily-met criteria for DREAM Act amnesty.


The DREAM Act is a Big Amnesty:

It’s estimated there are some 2 million illegal immigrant children in the United States. They are only a portion of the millions of aliens who will likely qualify for the DREAM Act amnesty, because the DREAM Act does not place a cap on the number of people who qualify, does not limit the age of those who qualify, and applies retroactively to anyone who first entered before age 16.


The DREAM Act is Deceptive:

The marketing campaign for the DREAM Act makes as though the amnesty is intended for high school graduates who are on their way to college or military service. But the bill as written ensures that illegal immigrants don’t have to attend high school or go to college to qualify for the amnesty: they need only take an ability-to-benefit test and complete a 1-year vocational program to get eventual citizenship (and there’s no requirement that they actually complete their college education). Nor do aliens have to join the Armed Forces: they need only go to work for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or Public Health Service for 2 years to get eventual citizenship.


The DREAM Act is a Fraud Machine:

We know from experience that amnesty from immigration laws generates massive fraud, and the DREAM Act is no exception. Nothing in the DREAM Act will prevent a 50-year old alien from asserting that he entered the United States before the age of 16 and has remained here ever since. The DREAM Act is silent on how DHS will determine the veracity of such claims. The DREAM Act will actually promote fraud because it prevents DHS from deporting aliens who’ve applied for the amnesty until their applications are resolved – a process that will likely take years, because DHS lacks the resources to rapidly process the millions of applications it will receive. Even if DHS eventually decides that some aliens do not qualify for the amnesty, DHS cannot use the statements aliens made in their applications to deport them, because their statements are protected by the confidentiality section in the DREAM Act.


The DREAM Act is Unfair to American Students and Taxpayers:

The DREAM Act would repeal the 1996 law which says that State colleges and universities cannot offer in-state tuition benefits to resident illegal immigrants unless they offer the same benefits to students who are U.S. citizens. So, an 18-year old United States citizen attending school in a different state will pay substantially more money for his college education than a 30-year old illegal alien residing in that state. Because public colleges and universities are heavily subsidized by taxpayers, Americans end up paying the bill for educating illegal immigrants. Further, because the repeal of the 1996 law is retroactive, illegal aliens who formerly paid out-of-state tuition will have the ability and motivation to sue for the difference between what they paid and the in-state rate.


The DREAM Act Puts Illegal Immigrants at the Front of the Line for Green Cards:

The DREAM Act requires that applications for its amnesty must be expedited, bars DHS from charging fees for expedited service, and fails to provide DHS the additional personnel and equipment needed to handle expedited applications. Because millions of people will file applications for DREAM Act amnesty (regardless of whether or not they eventually qualify), DHS will experience a significant backlog of cases that will necessarily slow DHS’ ability to process conventional business and family visas, and applications for naturalization. This will adversely impact our economy, and disrupt the settled expectations of intending legal immigrants to the United States.


The DREAM Act Will Allow Dangerous Criminal Aliens to Remain At Large in the United States:

DHS lacks the resources to detain all criminal aliens it encounters in the United States, and so DHS has to pick and choose which criminals to hold for deportation. When DHS deports a criminal alien, the detention or “bed space” vacated by the out-going criminal is immediately filled by another criminal alien. The DREAM Act does not disqualify anyone (even criminals) from filing an application and bars DHS from removing any alien who’s filed an application for amnesty. Thus, criminal aliens who have no desire to be deported will file DREAM Act applications to halt or slow their deportations, which means they will spend more time taking up detention space which could be used to house other criminal aliens. That means more criminal aliens whom DHS cannot house will be free to roam the United States. The DREAM Act also creates an opportunity for extremely dangerous criminal aliens to be released into the general population. By law, a criminal alien who is subject to a final order of removal must be released from DHS custody within 90 days if his removal is not “reasonably foreseeable.” As mentioned previously, the DREAM Act does not allocate resources to DHS to process the millions of applications that are sure to be filed, which will result in very lengthy delays. The result? A dangerous criminal alien who would otherwise have been removed from the United States files his DREAM Act application, and when that application stalls at DHS with millions of others, he can file a petition in a district court after 90 days to effect his release because his removal is not “reasonably foreseeable.”
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:05 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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i'm speechless....doesn't this make you sick to your stomache?????
i making the call as we speak!
time for a change...remember their oath?how could anyone forget?
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