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Old 09-21-2008, 03:54 PM
 
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Good point, Macmeal.

Another point to consider . . . your referenced employer probably never reduced the price of his goods or services in spite of the big buck savings on labor, did he?
Of course not...that's not what business is all about...
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:59 PM
 
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Good Lord. Have you ever heard of the term 'cost shifting'? It works like this: 25 illegals show up for a chest X-ray t and none of them pay. Let's say the actual cost of the chest X-ray is $50. The technician who takes the film needs to be paid, there is the cost of operating the X-ray machine, it is going to cost to have the film developed, the radiologist who reads the X-ray needs to be paid for his services, the orderly who transported the patient to and from the radiology suite needs to be compensated and the clerk who files the film has to be paid. If the 25 illegals simply walk away from the bill, the hospital is out $1250. They begin to look for some way to recoup at least a portion of the $1250. What happens is that a patient with insurance is charged more for the X-ray. You are not paying for only the X-ray you had, you are also helping to cover the costs of the illegal's chest X-rays. That's not fair, you say? YOU are one of the biggest supporters of illegal aliens in this forum!

An uninsured American patient may have Medicaid coverage or will at least pay part of the bills. Illegal aliens are well known for walking off and leaving the hospital holding the bag.

Darlin', you have no business complaining about the costs of your health care while you are actively supporting illegal aliens who are doing nothing but sucking the US healthcare system dry. You want you healthcare bills to go down? So do I. Let's work together to get the illegal aliens back to Mexico and the other countries that they are citizens of so their own governments can pay for their healthcare. Not the US.
I MUST be reading this wrong...why does it make so much sense?..
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:02 PM
 
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And it's that mentality coupled with their arrogant attitudes that has turned a lot of the American people against illegals.
I think it has helped the Illegals, I know the more negative stuff they throw out, only makes some people have more concern and care towards the illegals.
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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I think it has helped the Illegals, I know the more negative stuff they throw out, only makes some people have more concern and care towards the illegals.
Then why are more and more states such as Az,& OK. initiating their own Immigration Laws?
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:21 PM
 
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Then why are more and more states such as Az,& OK. initiating their own Immigration Laws?
There are some that would tell you that they are out of Arizona, but that would not be correct.
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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There are some that would tell you that they are out of Arizona, but that would not be correct.
What kind of answer is that?
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:41 PM
 
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I MUST be reading this wrong...why does it make so much sense?..
I may have oversimplified a bit, but that is the gist of the problem, IMO. When your insurance is charged $2.47 for a bandaid, part of the charge (possibly most of it) is going to cover the costs of all the bandaids people received but did not pay for. The bandaid is going to cost more than one you would buy in a drugstore because Central Supply has to store and keep track of the bandaids, a worker has to bring the supply of bandaids to the ER, someone has to put the bandaid on you and someone has to charge the bandaid to your account. So it is going to cost more than the bandaid in your medicine cabinet no matter what, but when there are ridiculous charges for an item or a service, alot of time there is cost shifting going on, IMO.

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Cost shifting is a term used to describe the costs that one group is paying for another’s use of services. In health care, cost shifting occurs when different patients (customers) negotiate to pay different amounts for the same goods or service.

Cost shifting also occurs because there are those that don’t pay all or some of their bill (bad debt) and those that don’t have the ability to pay for their care (free care). When certain payers (such as Medicare or Medicaid) set reimbursement at less than the provider’s cost of services and underpayments result in a cost shift to commercial plans that must be paid by commercial health insurance premiums.
Decrease Cost Shift / Contain Cost / Vermont's Health Care Reform - Office of the Chief Information Officer (http://tinyurl.com/3fwgtz - broken link)

This creates a vicious downward spiral. As costs to private insurance companies go up, they raise their premiums. Companies or individuals then reach the point where they can no longer afford insurance. People then join the ranks of the uninsured that adds further stress to the situation. Eventually, we will be circling the drain.
IMO, we can't begin to address the problems in our healthcare system unless we first determine who should be in the system and who should not. I don't see how we can continue to provide healthcare to the 10% of Mexico's population that is in the US and all the other illegals indefinitely. Nor should we.
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:44 PM
 
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What kind of answer is that?
Did you read the whole thread or just skim and pick and choose?
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Old 09-21-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think it has helped the Illegals, I know the more negative stuff they throw out, only makes some people have more concern and care towards the illegals.
For every person who has more sympathy for the illegals.............I will bet that many others have become less tolerant of their presence.
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Old 09-21-2008, 07:18 PM
 
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Then why are more and more states such as Az,& OK. initiating their own Immigration Laws?
I won't hold my breath waiting. There is a reason why they are not doing anything, who knows.
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