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Old 09-24-2008, 04:14 PM
 
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MIAMI — For more than a decade, as the immigration debate has swelled on both sides of the border, the Mexican government has been quietly providing money, materials and even teachers to American schools, colleges and nonprofit organizations.

The programs aren't substitutes for U.S. curricula, but educators familiar with them say they provide a lifeline for adult students with little formal education by helping them become literate in Spanish — and by extension, English.

Yet many educators are wary of even talking about the programs, fearing they might stoke an anti-immigrant backlash.

The Mexican government, which spends more than $1 million annually on the programs, has many reasons to provide the aid to the immigrants and their children. The programs allow it to give back to the growing number of Mexicans living legally and illegally in the U.S. Behind oil, remittances from these individuals are the second-largest source of foreign income for the Mexican economy — almost $24 billion last year.

"We don't want the Mexicans in the exterior to feel like milk cows being expressed for the resources they were sending back," said Carlos Gonzalez Gutierrez, head of the Mexican government's Institute for Mexicans Abroad, which oversees most of the programs.

Mexicans abroad need an education to represent the country well, he said.

"The image and prestige of Mexico is inextricably linked to the image and prestige of these communities in the U.S.," Gonzalez said.

He also acknowledged that many of the adult participants are likely illegal immigrants, a group the U.S. government doesn't want to allow to stay, let alone have to support.

"Mexican involvement in American public education is another symptom of how things are different than the Ellis Island era," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which seeks to limit immigration. "With technology, distance doesn't really matter. You never really leave the old country behind."

Krikorian said the U.S. shouldn't rely on Mexico to help integrate immigrants.


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WTH? Adults being shipped here that are so ignorant they can't even speak their native language, yet we are to believe they will be able to learn English? Wow . . just wow
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:53 PM
 
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So, the US is now considered the Mexican Exterior?
It seems so obvious to me that a large portion of illegal immigrants are not here to become american citizens because they agree with the american ideology, or because they want to be part of and give back to their new homeland. No, they are here to work and milk whatever social services they can. This is a big part of my problem with amnesty --- we are giving citizenship to people who really do not want to be american citizens. They want to be proud mexican citizens who receive all the rights of american citizenship due to address, not loyalty. I can't express exactly what I mean, but if you go on youtube and look up Craig Fergusons monologue he gave on the day he bacame a US citizen.....well, that feeling is clearly lacking in the illegals. They want benefits, but not the potential sacrifice. And that is not right. American citizenship -- just like mexican citizenship -- is too precious to squander on the ungrateful.
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:28 PM
 
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So, the US is now considered the Mexican Exterior?
It seems so obvious to me that a large portion of illegal immigrants are not here to become american citizens because they agree with the american ideology, or because they want to be part of and give back to their new homeland. No, they are here to work and milk whatever social services they can. This is a big part of my problem with amnesty --- we are giving citizenship to people who really do not want to be american citizens. They want to be proud mexican citizens who receive all the rights of american citizenship due to address, not loyalty. I can't express exactly what I mean, but if you go on youtube and look up Craig Fergusons monologue he gave on the day he bacame a US citizen.....well, that feeling is clearly lacking in the illegals. They want benefits, but not the potential sacrifice. And that is not right. American citizenship -- just like mexican citizenship -- is too precious to squander on the ungrateful.
Bingo! If it wasn't so sad the irony in all of this would be comical. We are the unwilling dumping ground for Mexico's illiterate, criminal trash. Since Mexico is already a disasterous hellhole, shouldn't that be the other way around?
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:08 PM
 
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WTH? Adults being shipped here that are so ignorant they can't even speak their native language, yet we are to believe they will be able to learn English? Wow . . just wow
you do know what literate means? It means being able to read and write....which is different from being able to speak.

A bigger issue is that we get illiterate people from Mexico (which means they cannot read or write in Spanish) and have to try and teach them to read and write in English.

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Old 09-24-2008, 08:27 PM
 
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you do know what literate means? It means being able to read and write....which is different from being able to speak.

A bigger issue is that we get illiterate people from Mexico (which means they cannot read or write in Spanish) and have to try and teach them to read and write in English.
Good post ibarrio, You always write logical posts
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Old 09-25-2008, 09:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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you do know what literate means? It means being able to read and write....which is different from being able to speak.

A bigger issue is that we get illiterate people from Mexico (which means they cannot read or write in Spanish) and have to try and teach them to read and write in English.

See above
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