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Old 10-08-2008, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I sincerely don’t care about his "Mexican perspective." He, and the Mexican illegal alien advocates in this country, should devise a plan to repatriate their citizens, and to improve conditions in Mexico. Any self-respecting country would be embarrassed to dump millions of their citizens on the backs of the hard-working taxpayers of another country.

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Dr. Rafael Fernández de Castro, foreign policy adviser to Mexican President Felipe Calderón and an expert on U.S.-Mexico relations, will speak at 4 p.m. Saturday at the National Hispanic Cultural Center in Albuquerque on the explosive issue of immigration.

The talk -- "View From Across the Border: A Mexican Perspective" -- will focus on a Latin-American view of changes within U.S. Latino communities, the current state of U.S. relations with Mexico and Latin America, with special attention on Mexico's reaction to the new and changing immigration environment in the United States.

Fernández de Castro will address what might happen to Mexico's economy and society if all illegal immigrants were returned to that county; what a path to legalization might mean to Mexico and Mexicans; the role of remittances in the Mexican economy; and the complex relationship between drug violence in Mexico and drug use in the United States, according to a news release from the Albuquerque International Association.
ABQNews - 9:25am -- Mexican Scholar To Address Immigration (http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8942&Ite mid=2 - broken link)
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:47 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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well it would be good to hear his perspective on what effect mass deportation can have on the economy of mexico.

will it fuel the drug trade?
cripple the economy?
hinder current strides mexico is making in fighting crime?

it would be interesting to get this perspective. you might even get solutions for this side of the border.

education never hurt anyone after all. being blinded to, or refusing useful information is pretty ignorant.

dont forget, mexico and the US are inextricably intertwined because of a shared border and economic policies.
it matters very much to the US what happens in mexico. economically and socially.
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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well it would be good to hear his perspective on what effect mass deportation can have on the economy of mexico.

will it fuel the drug trade?
cripple the economy?
hinder current strides mexico is making in fighting crime?

it would be interesting to get this perspective. you might even get solutions for this side of the border.

education never hurt anyone after all. being blinded to, or refusing useful information is pretty ignorant.

dont forget, mexico and the US are inextricably intertwined because of a shared border and economic policies.
it matters very much to the US what happens in mexico. economically and socially.
For the umpteenth time, Mexico is NOT our problem. We have been used and abused enough. Let them take care of their own people and their own country. We have our own problems.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:01 PM
 
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well it would be good to hear his perspective on what effect mass deportation can have on the economy of mexico.

will it fuel the drug trade?
cripple the economy?
hinder current strides mexico is making in fighting crime?

it would be interesting to get this perspective. you might even get solutions for this side of the border.

education never hurt anyone after all. being blinded to, or refusing useful information is pretty ignorant.

dont forget, mexico and the US are inextricably intertwined because of a shared border and economic policies.
it matters very much to the US what happens in mexico. economically and socially.

it certainly has mattered to taxpayers with our current economic crisis! the problem we are having is because we allowed a huge inexpensive labor pool to come into the country to take "the jobs that nobody wanted." in the meantime, wages were driven down by the supply of cheap labor, yet oddly housing sales went up and home demand increased. how was this accomplished? to provide housing for this cheap labor pool, the government decided to encourage no documentation mortgage contracts, as well as encouraging loans to people with questionable ability to repay. this, in turn, caused everyone to be able to buy a home whether they were qualified or not, including the illegal immigrants. people started taking out equity in their homes to purchase things, which really was the only way for these people to do it since wages were already diminishing. (due, again, to the cheap labor pool). now we are left with the results of this mess, which is a housing market in shambles, diminished wages, loss of confidence in our government, and a loan which taxpayers are expected to repay.

add to this the fact that a lot of the illegal immigrants are not even paying taxes into our system, while others are using government services, leaves a lot of dissatisfied americans to shoulder the load for this "cheap labor pool".
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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well it would be good to hear his perspective on what effect mass deportation can have on the economy of mexico.

will it fuel the drug trade?
cripple the economy?
hinder current strides mexico is making in fighting crime?

it would be interesting to get this perspective. you might even get solutions for this side of the border.

education never hurt anyone after all. being blinded to, or refusing useful information is pretty ignorant.

dont forget, mexico and the US are inextricably intertwined because of a shared border and economic policies.
it matters very much to the US what happens in mexico. economically and socially.
The cold reality is if we cut Mexico loose---------it will injure that nation more than the USA. Too with our imploding economy and its attendant rise in unemployment; we do not 'need' the illegal immigrants at all.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:25 PM
 
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well it would be good to hear his perspective on what effect mass deportation can have on the economy of mexico.

will it fuel the drug trade?
cripple the economy?
hinder current strides mexico is making in fighting crime?

it would be interesting to get this perspective. you might even get solutions for this side of the border.

education never hurt anyone after all. being blinded to, or refusing useful information is pretty ignorant.

dont forget, mexico and the US are inextricably intertwined because of a shared border and economic policies.
it matters very much to the US what happens in mexico. economically and socially.
They do not want their own poor, uneducated and unskilled people. Yet the inteligentsia of mexico think that the US has a moral obligation to not only take their citizens, but also to ignore their immigration status because we share a border. Insane! Does mexico expect Panama, Peru, Venezuela, Brazil or any other South American country to take in mexicos poor and unskilled just because they think there is money (and benefits) to be made? No, mexico doesnot expect any other nation to accept their poor. Not a single one. And just what poor unskilled and uneducated people does mexico accept? Again that answer would be none.

Yes, what happens in mexico can affect the US. But that still does not make the US more responsible for mexicos future then mexicans. They don't want poverty stricken people coming back to mexico? Then perhaps they need to come out of their ivory towers and figure out ways to help their own people.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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im not saying we need the illegals. or that mexico is OUR problem.

im asking what is wrong with learning another perspective that can potentially help us combat immigration problems on this side of the border.

what is wrong with learning about potential problems we might face as a result of mass deportation.

to quote my least favorite poster "reading comprehension".

beni, mexico will continue to be our problem if we ignore the situation in mexico and how it affects us. its easy to see that the US already helps mexico and colombia combat the drug cartels. how do you think that relationship was built? it was based on intelligence gathered on both sides of the border.

lets gather more intelligence to help solve the problems we face here on this side.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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They do not want their own poor, uneducated and unskilled people. Yet the inteligentsia of mexico think that the US has a moral obligation to not only take their citizens, but also to ignore their immigration status because we share a border. Insane! Does mexico expect Panama, Peru, Venezuela, Brazil or any other South American country to take in mexicos poor and unskilled just because they think there is money (and benefits) to be made? No, mexico doesnot expect any other nation to accept their poor. Not a single one. And just what poor unskilled and uneducated people does mexico accept? Again that answer would be none.

Yes, what happens in mexico can affect the US. But that still does not make the US more responsible for mexicos future then mexicans. They don't want poverty stricken people coming back to mexico? Then perhaps they need to come out of their ivory towers and figure out ways to help their own people.
Not no but hell no! If Mexico gave a rat's you-know-what about other nations--------it would 'amnesty' the illegals from Guatemala.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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They do not want their own poor, uneducated and unskilled people. Yet the inteligentsia of mexico think that the US has a moral obligation to not only take their citizens, but also to ignore their immigration status because we share a border. Insane! Does mexico expect Panama, Peru, Venezuela, Brazil or any other South American country to take in mexicos poor and unskilled just because they think there is money (and benefits) to be made? No, mexico doesnot expect any other nation to accept their poor. Not a single one. And just what poor unskilled and uneducated people does mexico accept? Again that answer would be none.

Yes, what happens in mexico can affect the US. But that still does not make the US more responsible for mexicos future then mexicans. They don't want poverty stricken people coming back to mexico? Then perhaps they need to come out of their ivory towers and figure out ways to help their own people.
The absolute truth! Sorry I can't rep you.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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im not saying we need the illegals. or that mexico is OUR problem.

im asking what is wrong with learning another perspective that can potentially help us combat immigration problems on this side of the border.

what is wrong with learning about potential problems we might face as a result of mass deportation.

to quote my least favorite poster "reading comprehension".

beni, mexico will continue to be our problem if we ignore the situation in mexico and how it affects us. its easy to see that the US already helps mexico and colombia combat the drug cartels. how do you think that relationship was built? it was based on intelligence gathered on both sides of the border.

lets gather more intelligence to help solve the problems we face here on this side.
The only way I can see the USA truly helping Mexico would for us to finish off the job that was half done in 1848/1853: annex the rest of that dilapidated nation, lock stock and barrel then start the phase out of the Spanish language, etc. in favor of English.
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