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Old 10-08-2008, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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if anyone looks at the numbers, they can see that mexico's economy has flourished and our economy has suffered since the influx of the illegal immigrants into the united states.
Absolutely! They have sent millions of their underclass and miscreants for us to support and incarcerate through our tax dollars, and have the added bonus of receiving BILLIONS in remittances in return.

They don't have to provide prenatal/postnatal care, WIC and welfare for millions of their pregnant women. They don't have to provide tax-funded ESL classes and free breakfast/lunch programs for millions of their children. They don't have to contend with hospital closures due to non-payment by their hordes. They don't have to watch nice middle-class neighborhoods being trashed by millions of their citizens who can only feel comfortable living in squalor. For every U.S. citizen raped, robbed, or murdered, that's one less Mexican victim for them.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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if you dont give a dam what happens in mexico then you really dont understand global politics. trying to teach you how you will be affected is a waste of time in that case.

yes the US is all by themselves in this world. what happens around the world, and with our neighbors does not affect us. not one bit

just like our collapsing economy does not affect the global economy.
Good. Don't waste your time or mine.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Message from La Raza

Please alert the local media so Americans can find out how these Reconquistas demand that the Hispanic Scholarship Fund gives financial aid to illegal aliens. Their little stunt will certainly gain some backlash from the American taxpayer.
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/aztlan_MEChA_RonGochez.jpg (broken link)

From:
"Ron Gochez" mexicanoatucla@aol.com

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Protest the discrimination of Undocumented students by the

Hispanic Scholarship Fund!
Join the Association of Raza Educators, and S.U.R.G.E Cal State LA as we join forces and DEMAND that the Hispanic Scholarship Fund open it's scholarship to Undocumented Students!
Fact--In 2008, HSF gave more money to Hispanic students than any other organization.

Fact--HSF refuses to allow undocumented students to apply to their scholarship even though it is lawful for them to do so.
What: Press Conference and Rally
Where: Hispanic Scholarship Fund Los Angeles Office, 700 S. Flower St. LA 90017
When: Thursday, October 9th 2008
Time: 4:30pm

The Association of Raza Educators and S.U.R.G.E. de Cal State LA believe that ALL students should have the right to attend college regardless of their citizenship status. Unfortunately, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund (HSF) does not feel the same way. Last Year HSF raised over 26 million dollars in scholarships and did not allow ANY undocumented students to even apply for their scholarships. Join us in telling HSF that when representing Hispanics, they must include ALL of them.

Please sign our Online Petition: http://www.petition online.com/ 2college/ petition. html

This action is also endorsed by: The Association of Mexican American Educators, Union del Barrio--Base Paulo Freire, Collation Against Militarism of Our Schools--CAMS, Frente Contra Las Redadas- South Central, MEChA de Santee, Somos Raza, Palisadians for Peace, School of the Americas Watch L.A., UTLA Chicano/Latino Committee, Collation for Educational Justice.
To endorse or for more information please email:
josexlara@yahoo. com or amarilloabc@ yahoo.com

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Old 10-08-2008, 02:54 PM
 
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reading comprehension beni.

we are the ones that come up with solutions by learning what the problem is.
i dont think they will be coming up with solutions for illegal immigration, but they might tell us the effects it will have in mexico, and we can identify secondary effects in the US (given the proximity and economic relations we have with mexico). knowing what effect might occur in the US will prepare us down the line.

its not mexico coming up with solutions for us, it is us takin this info and seeing how we can ensure that we dont leave our economy in the dumps.

for example. lets say that this scholar says, "deporting all these low skilled illegals will
Finally free Americans from the infestation and tax burden.. we will no longer have
to forfeit everything we have worked for so these parasites (one who takes advantage
of the generosity of others) may gain everything by only having to slither over here
in the dead of night like cockroaches...
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Message from La Raza

Please alert the local media so Americans can find out how these Reconquistas demand that the Hispanic Scholarship Fund gives financial aid to illegal aliens. Their little stunt will certainly gain some backlash from the American taxpayer.


From:
"Ron Gochez" mexicanoatucla@aol.com
Infighting?
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:28 PM
 
Location: California
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Infighting?
Im pretty sure "Message from La Raza" refers to the entire article,
and the 'reconquistas' bit was commentary by the anti-raza/anti-illegal
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Im pretty sure "Message from La Raza" refers to the entire article,
and the 'reconquistas' bit was commentary by the anti-raza/anti-illegal
Thank you for noticing
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Im pretty sure "Message from La Raza" refers to the entire article,
and the 'reconquistas' bit was commentary by the anti-raza/anti-illegal
You don't consider Hispanic advocacy groups protesting an Hispanic scholarship organization, as infighting? I do. It’s tantamount to the NAACP protesting the United Negro College Fund.
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Old 10-08-2008, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I try to show you a little more respect than others on this board, Bear, but this idea is just asinine.
This comes out very anti-Mexico, comes off as a modern day manifest destiny theory, and is just plain out dumb.

It boggles the mind how you could up with something so off the wall. I'd expect something like this from the others who are completely uneducated on Mexico, and thus dont care about Mexico other than the illegal situation.

I dont know even know to describe this..American Supremacism?

United States is in no position to take over all of Mexico, and enact a cultural genocide against Mexico.

The idea of that is ridiculous. You've always said how little you think of Hispanic and Mexican culture, and this proves it if you think the United States can just go to the Mexico and wipe their cultural slate clean in favor of Anglo culture. Thats bs.

And to call Mexico a "dilapidated nation", thats just that 10 minute trip in Tijuana coming back to haunt you.

You have a lot of opinion on Mexican/Hispanic culture, and on the people, and on the country. If youre going to have so many opinions, you should go down to Mexico, meet some people, learn more of the culture than from some racial theorists. Dont let the TJ stint scare you, you dont have to be scared to go their. According to you, you should look like one of the locals. Thing of all the "scandinavian white" Mexicans you claim to have met.
I can blast all of your arguments out of the water by this:

Why do us Americans have ca. 7-12 million illegals here in the USA especially being that most of them are from Mexico?

That is living proof that Mexico is dilapidated right there-------by its failure to take care of and respect is poorest AKA mostly 'brown' citizens.
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Old 10-08-2008, 04:32 PM
 
Location: California
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I can blast all of your arguments out of the water by this:

Why do us Americans have ca. 7-12 million illegals here in the USA especially being that most of them are from Mexico?

That is living proof that Mexico is dilapidated right there-------by its failure to take care of and respect is poorest AKA mostly 'brown' citizens.
Americans have immigrants from all over the world, and many illegals...mostly Mexican because Mexico is adjacent to the United States making it very easy to cross illegally.
Trust me, if China was next to us, we'd have a lot more Chinese in this country.
If Italy was right next to us, we'd have a lot more Italian illegals.
Not to mention all the drug smuggling problems, but thats a different story.

Immigrating illegally across a single man-made line is one thing.....what does it say about all the countries of the people who immigrate here illegally from half-way across the world, across vast oceans?

It says a lot about The United States. A lot of people want to be here..at least for now, its still considered a place with a lot of opportunity, and draws people from all over the world.
It doesnt make Mexico a pos, like so many of you see it.

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