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Old 03-22-2008, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Here is how you can fix the problem, may seem harsh but it will definately work.

Have to be citizen in country for 20 years before they can vote. - Stops the political rhetoric

Illegal entry will never allow lead to citizenship. - Stops the incentive

Revoke the welfare bill that somehow passed for illegals. - Stops the laziness

Offer a $500 bounty on each illegal found and deported by private enterprises. - Promotes business

All their belongings are sold or auctioned by local agencies. - Shows determination

Outsource prisons and locate them in guatamala - Installs fear into minds of illegals

National legislation to close businesses that violate and hire illegals - Enforces what we have with severe pain on shareholders

National legislation to confiscate property to those who lease or rent to illegals. - Shows the risk involved to those who are undecided about migrating to the US.


Allow immigrants to apply for citizen ONLY from embassy's located in THEIR country. - Give them a path and motive to do the right thing, expidite the process for skilled workers.
I have to disagree there; the present 5 year rule of applying for US citizenship with its present perks (including the right to vote) after being a legal resident is fair. And; needless to say, if said legal resident is a member of the Armed Forces, his/her citizenship should be sooner.

Now; what does need to be done is to do away with 'birthright' citizenship assuming that both parents here here illegally. Pick an arbitrary date, of say, July 1st 2008. Grandfather in those age 17 on down kids born prior to that cutoff date as US citizens; those born after, oh well.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:09 PM
 
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I have NO PROBLEM with immigrants, both sides of my family came over from Germany during the war and Ireland during the famine. Both Legally. Most of what you stated is fair. Although alot I have met have No intensions of becoming citizens, they just want land and retirement in Mexico. You also need to put in there the huge stiff penalties for employers that hire those illegals that have no intensions of becoming citizens.
How would a potential employer know in fact if the Illegals really have an intention of becoming a citizen? How could they be faulted for not knowing what the actual intentions of any Illegal would be?
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Old 03-30-2008, 09:27 AM
 
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On the other side of the coin I really can't blame them for doing what ever it takes to improve their life.
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Old 03-30-2008, 06:09 PM
 
Location: So. California
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How would a potential employer know in fact if the Illegals really have an intention of becoming a citizen? How could they be faulted for not knowing what the actual intentions of any Illegal would be?
Sassy
I worked with a gentleman from Mexico. He has been here for 18 years as an illegal. He is buying property in Mexico and when he finishes paying for it in American $$ then he and his wife and five children will go back to Mexico to live. He has NO interest in becoming a citizen. He has changed employment several times when his employers find no SS#. He deals only in cash. However; in the meantime he and his family take full advantage of all freebies, i.e., food stamps, HUD, Medi-Cal, Medicare and will add themselves to the new dole from Social Security. He told me he learned all about what to do to get these benefits BEFORE he came to California. He got the information from the Mexican government. He is a nice guy. But multiply him times 12 million and the financial drain on California and the whole country is crazy. Sure he pays taxes whenever he buys big ticket items, but that does not balance out when you add in the the benefits he and his family uses for which the American taxpayer is billed for. Duh! It does not take a rocket scientist to do the addition and subtraction.
Until our politicians quit playing games with our economy and make firm the enforcement of our borders nothing will change.
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:36 PM
 
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On the other side of the coin I really can't blame them for doing what ever it takes to improve their life.
I don't blame them either. If our goverment does not care why should I?
The ones I have met have been great people, they can keep coming because with all the hatred I have heard towards them, it has just made me more understanding of their cause.
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:52 PM
 
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On the other side of the coin I really can't blame them for doing what ever it takes to improve their life.
I don't blame them, either. I've known MANY who have done this. My 'gripe', though, is that it's still a 'bad thing' for the US, and WE ought to take steps to STOP IT....and that "stopping it" is not a 'racist act'. Illegal immigrants aren't a 'race'...they're a 'legal description'.

Having a beloved relative who drives drunk, for instance, does NOT mean you condone Drunk Driving, and it does NOT mean your loved one should be mistreated, and it does NOT mean you can't 'love' your relative.....yet most of us agree, 'loved one' or NOT, drunk driving can NOT be allowed to continue, and it MUST be stopped.

We as a nation should be 'allowed' to monitor and regulate our own immigration. It's the right and DUTY of every nation to do this....and it doesn't mean they're 'mean', xenophobic, or racist.
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Old 03-30-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I don't blame them either. If our goverment does not care why should I?
The ones I have met have been great people, they can keep coming because with all the hatred I have heard towards them, it has just made me more understanding of their cause.
Well; I do care about illegals about being in my country and I will do anything legal to torment them till they leave--------despite the dysfunction of Wash DC.
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I don't understand how some Americans can stratch their heads and wonder why illegal immigrants are feeling threatened in this nation. The ruthlessly negative feelings would threaten my existence, and how I view myself. Many feel like they are not liked or respected.
No one is wondering why illegal immigrants are feeling "threatened." I'm certainly not. If they're here ilegally, they should feel threatened. The possibility of being caught when you're breaking the law makes most people feel "threatened."

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Old 03-31-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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I worked with a gentleman from Mexico. He has been here for 18 years as an illegal. He is buying property in Mexico and when he finishes paying for it in American $$ then he and his wife and five children will go back to Mexico to live. He has NO interest in becoming a citizen. He has changed employment several times when his employers find no SS#. He deals only in cash. However; in the meantime he and his family take full advantage of all freebies, i.e., food stamps, HUD, Medi-Cal, Medicare and will add themselves to the new dole from Social Security. He told me he learned all about what to do to get these benefits BEFORE he came to California. He got the information from the Mexican government. He is a nice guy. But multiply him times 12 million and the financial drain on California and the whole country is crazy. Sure he pays taxes whenever he buys big ticket items, but that does not balance out when you add in the the benefits he and his family uses for which the American taxpayer is billed for. Duh! It does not take a rocket scientist to do the addition and subtraction.
Until our politicians quit playing games with our economy and make firm the enforcement of our borders nothing will change.
Bingo! The people who try to excuse the behavior of the illegals on the grounds that they should be able to improve life for their family irrespective of the legality fail to realize that it is always at the expense of someone else, namely the US taxpayer.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Bingo! The people who try to excuse the behavior of the illegals on the grounds that they should be able to improve life for their family irrespective of the legality fail to realize that it is always at the expense of someone else, namely the US taxpayer.
You are absolutely correct! According to pro-illegal 'rationale' one should be allowed to embezzle funds for 18 years -- as long as it's for the 'right' reasons.
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