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11-02-2008, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Yes/no
FINALLY A PAC (Political Action Committee) that is fighting AGAINST illegal immigration!
HELP ELECT candidates who will fight against illegal immigration!!
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Good Grief, Yes/No . . . what's next?
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11-02-2008, 12:57 AM
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This doesn't say anything, the ad is unauthorized. Do you have anything more substantial than this?
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11-02-2008, 02:23 AM
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This doesn't say anything, the ad is unauthorized. Do you have anything more substantial than this?
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I really hope it is. Seems like political suicide to propose something like this in our current economic situation.
On a flip note, I have decided not to vote. If Obama becomes President, the democrats will not be brazen enough to ram an amnesty in a unilateral way. There will be alot of scrutiny on Obama and the current economic dilemma will only intensify this. I just hope Obama doesn't cease all interior enforcement measures that have been appearing somewhat fruitful. He will however, restore funding to family planning programs that will again increase the further lowering of the overall fertility rate in third world countries. Something Bush disbanded in his first week in office. McCains arrogance has no equal, he and the democratic congress will push through an amnesty claiming all the bipartisan support of the plan justified it. Obama seems to support Veterans which I think is very important as well. (being a vet of course exhibits my own bias on the issue). One term for Obama so that the wealthy neocon globalist and rabid capitalists will have a little harder of a time routing the middle class of this country. After we have had that much needed relief, I pray for a true paleo conservative to come in and finish this immigration debocle with a voraciousness spirit we need to get it done. In the mean time while Obama is President we need to get the birthright citizenship up to a ballot and on to the supreme court to be straightened out. This should be our main focus if Obama becomes president....
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11-02-2008, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by UrbanQuest
I really hope it is. Seems like political suicide to propose something like this in our current economic situation.
On a flip note, I have decided not to vote. If Obama becomes President, the democrats will not be brazen enough to ram an amnesty in a unilateral way. There will be alot of scrutiny on Obama and the current economic dilemma will only intensify this. I just hope Obama doesn't cease all interior enforcement measures that have been appearing somewhat fruitful. He will however, restore funding to family planning programs that will again increase the further lowering of the overall fertility rate in third world countries. Something Bush disbanded in his first week in office. McCains arrogance has no equal, he and the democratic congress will push through an amnesty claiming all the bipartisan support of the plan justified it. Obama seems to support Veterans which I think is very important as well. (being a vet of course exhibits my own bias on the issue). One term for Obama so that the wealthy neocon globalist and rabid capitalists will have a little harder of a time routing the middle class of this country. After we have had that much needed relief, I pray for a true paleo conservative to come in and finish this immigration debocle with a voraciousness spirit we need to get it done. In the mean time while Obama is President we need to get the birthright citizenship up to a ballot and on to the supreme court to be straightened out. This should be our main focus if Obama becomes president....
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You do understand there are more than two options to send your vote. Even if no one else has a realistic chance of winning, why not show some support for a 3rd party that DOES stand for what you believe in?
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11-02-2008, 06:32 AM
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11-02-2008, 06:42 AM
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ichigo ichie 1 time 1 meeting unprecedented
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read the article again like so often on CDF somebody gives a link and the link does not support their assertion. universal health care is not a freebee for anyone, you gota pay and wait like the rest of us.
universal health care requires premium payment, it comes out of your check. illegals too. no illegals do not all work for cash under the table. get a paycheck just like you and me.
universal health care comes from your primary. it is not administered thru the ER. our current ER system is expensive to administrate and its a freebee for illegals.
illegals just walk in an ER when they need service. no more.
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11-02-2008, 06:46 AM
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Things that can't go on forever, don't.
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read the article again like so often on CDF somebody gives a link and the link does not support their assertion. universal health care is not a freebee for anyone, you gota pay and wait like the rest of us.
universal health care requires premium payment, it comes out of your check. illegals too. no illegals do not all work for cash under the table. get a paycheck just like you and me.
universal health care comes from your primary. it is not administered thru the ER. our current ER system is expensive to administrate and its a freebee for illegals.
illegals just walk in an ER when they need service. no more.
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actually they will get more services: (see article)
Illegals now get free emergency-room treatment for life-threatening conditions, as any other American who's entered an ER in an area with lots of illegals recently well knows. (Three-quarters of the illegal-immigrant population is concentrated in five states: California, New York, Florida, Texas and Illinois.)
But now they'd be eligible for the entire range of medical services, all free of charge. That would trigger severe rationing: bureaucrats deciding who gets to see an oncologist, who can have an MRI - and even who can have bypass surgery and who'd die for lack of it.
These decisions would be made not on the basis of legal status but on the brutal facts of triage: Treat the 37-year-old illegal with his whole life to live before you spend scarce resources on an overweight, diabetic, 80-year-old citizen with high blood pressure who smokes.
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11-02-2008, 06:47 AM
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Things that can't go on forever, don't.
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here is another question, why isn't mexico contributing anything to our support of illegal immigrant healthcare? these are not american citizens that we are being forced to treat with taxpayer dollars.
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11-02-2008, 06:50 AM
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Universal healthcare will not only raise taxes on our paychecks, but give our taxes to those who want to live off the system, with hand out and grin on face, while the rest of us who work wait in line behind them to be taken care of only to go back to work to support those in line, who are in front of us.
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