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Old 11-06-2008, 08:19 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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So..your saving money so you feel they should all be rewarded......again?

Unfortunately, we will ALL have to make sacrifices. Some of us have already lost the best of our lives because of illegal immigrants. Before you ask how we know it was the fault of illegals...I'll tell you

My only Son was killed by a hit-n-run, unlicensed, illegal immigrant driving a stolen vehicle. He was caught and released.
Losing a Loved One out weighs any amount of money any one would save because of someone being in this country illegally. Every crime committed by illegals is preventable.
I'm so sorry. Such a tragic waste of a young life. My heart goes out to you.

Yet another victim of our government's inabiliy and unwillingness to enforce our laws for the benefit of its OWN citizens.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:58 AM
 
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So you have no issue with illegals putting legal citizens out of work. You enjoy those lowball wages. What if the illegals stole the work you do and you found yourself unemployed? Would you still say life is great? Well plenty of americans in many trades have suffered just that fate. Not just the individual who is out of work but their families as well.
I myself would not be proud of myself if I were a facilitaor like yourself.

I am true practicing believer of free enterprise. What ever money the immigrants save me. I will spend it somewhere else, thereby creating another market of employment. If someone provides a product or service cheaper from some else, Iíll buy it. That is the same mentality of the founding fathers had. Why must the government restrict commerce. That would be considered socialism mixed with communism. We do not want to become another socialist, elitist Europe.
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Old 11-06-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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Living here in Houston not very far from lots and lots of immigrants (legal-Illegal) has made my life a lot easier. I have a 20 year old car and I know several mechanics who may or may not be legal but they are excellent mechanics. They cost me one tenth of what I would have to pay the dealer. I have had other immigrants help me fix my roof, place tile on the first floor of my house, and again it has help me save lots of money. I like my money with me, not to be thrown away by the Gvt. I frequent lots of restaurants and generally a good meal runs me about $10. I do notice that the people washing dishes and doing all kinds of menial work inside are immigrants. If it wasn't for them I would probably be paying $50. If the restaurant employed US citizens they would very likely be be asking for paid vacation, $15 per hour min. and be ready to sue the owner. Life is really good here in Houston. (for me and the immigrants).
Don't kid yourself, you may be saving money by paying subpar wages to a neighborhood mechanic or roof tilers but you are contributing to their continued poverty. Do you think they can live on 1/10 of what an American citizen would make while living in the US? Of course they can't. By benefiting from others misery you are complicit in it. In another age you would no doubt be defending the use of slaves as a money saving device as well.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I am true practicing believer of free enterprise. What ever money the immigrants save me. I will spend it somewhere else, thereby creating another market of employment. If someone provides a product or service cheaper from some else, I’ll buy it. That is the same mentality of the founding fathers had. Why must the government restrict commerce. That would be considered socialism mixed with communism. We do not want to become another socialist, elitist Europe.
What he means: As long as I can continue to pay some guy who is in this country illegally, wages that no American would accept (because the illegal is in no position to complain to the authorities) I will continue to sail happily along with my indentured servants because this "free enterprise" system is nearly as good for my pocketbook as slavery.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What he said:

What he means: As long as I can continue to pay some guy who is in this country illegally, wages that no American would accept (because the illegal is in no position to complain to the authorities) I will continue to sail happily along with my indentured servants because this "free enterprise" system is nearly as good for my pocketbook as slavery.
Indentured servitude would be an improvement: after (usually) 7 years said individuals would be free persons.

Otherwise: Kele; you are spot on
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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I hope he become completely dependent on them for everything.
When they decide that his property is needed for a family member, he'll just be another gringo to be run out of the neighborhood.
Sooner or later he'll understand the true meaning of "learning the hard way".
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I am true practicing believer of free enterprise. What ever money the immigrants save me. I will spend it somewhere else, thereby creating another market of employment. If someone provides a product or service cheaper from some else, Iíll buy it. That is the same mentality of the founding fathers had. Why must the government restrict commerce. That would be considered socialism mixed with communism. We do not want to become another socialist, elitist Europe.
So by your logic if the mafia saves you money on products by selling you stolen goods its a win win deal for everyone? Some how I doubt that the founding fathers had that in mind. You are saying that how the cheaper price is achieved is not important. In this case by illegal workers putting legals out of work.
I will say this. I pray that you suffer the same fate that illegals have forced upon many many Honest hard working Americans. Hey why don't you loan out your ID and SSN to some illegals. I am sure that it wont be abused.
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Old 11-06-2008, 09:30 PM
 
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So by your logic if the mafia saves you money on products by selling you stolen goods its a win win deal for everyone? Some how I doubt that the founding fathers had that in mind. You are saying that how the cheaper price is achieved is not important. In this case by illegal workers putting legals out of work.
I will say this. I pray that you suffer the same fate that illegals have forced upon many many Honest hard working Americans. Hey why don't you loan out your ID and SSN to some illegals. I am sure that it wont be abused.
Are you equating American consumers who buy Toyotas, Hundas, and Sonys to mafia members? Do you know that those consumers who buy Chinese, Japanese, European products are forcing thousands of working Americans to the soup lines. I happen to think that those consumers are not mafia members, they just want more bang for their $$$. In this world everybody and everything must compete for survival. One cannot let people survive artificially (with Gvt interference). IMO that's how this world revolves, the weak and the dummies go down by the wayside. Look at all the Dinosaurs; they were too dumb to survive. There is no way that God is going to listen to you because he designed the world this way. In fact he may be detrimental to you.
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Old 11-06-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Are you equating American consumers who buy Toyotas, Hundas, and Sonys to mafia members? Do you know that those consumers who buy Chinese, Japanese, European products are forcing thousands of working Americans to the soup lines. I happen to think that those consumers are not mafia members, they just want more bang for their $$$. In this world everybody and everything must compete for survival. One cannot let people survive artificially (with Gvt interference). IMO that's how this world revolves, the weak and the dummies go down by the wayside. Look at all the Dinosaurs; they were too dumb to survive. There is no way that God is going to listen to you because he designed the world this way. In fact he may be detrimental to you.
Apples and oranges here:

Close/lock at least our southern border: anybody who knowingly hires an illegal immigrant is a criminal.

The products that you listed are sold legally in the USA.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Northridge CA
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Yeah I am definitely racist against Hispanic immigrants. Considering I am one of them.

And I definitely would not know the difference between a legal alien and an illegal immigrant. Me and my family didn't work our behinds off to get to this country the right way.
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