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Old 02-25-2007, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Orange County
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Ask for citizen volunteers.
See Minutemen and related controversy. I don't want some "gun totin' back country fella" representing my country when countless cases of violations of Human Rights are reported. We have law enforcement officials and government officials for a reason-- to do the jobs they are elected and subseqently held accountable for their actions.

Volunteer 1: I just hauled three brownfaced criminal peoples back across the border!
Volunteer 2: Yeah, and I had to retrieve them because two were legal residents and the other a citizen.
Volunteer 1: But they looked illegal. They was standin' by Home Depot!
Volunteer 2: Because they were waiting for an equipment delivery, not work.

I can imagine the YouTube clips already.
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:25 AM
 
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Well, let's hire more agents then -- so we can get rid of the 5 million people who overstay their visas.

If it takes 51 agents to send 5000 home, that's about 100 people a year per agent. To get rid of all 5 million, we will need to hire 50,000 new agents. With government pay and pensions, that should cost us about $100K a year per agent or $5,000,000,000. (Don't forget, this still leaves us with 7 million who slip across the border who will need to be tracked down or stopped.)

Of course, that amount can be paid by taxpayers -- or by those of you that pay taxes. (32% of taxpayers pay no taxes as of 2005 -- but the other 68% of you can certainly cover this extra bill!) What's great about this whole idea is that it will also create an additional 50,000 government jobs! And those 50,000 agents WILL be paying taxes!

Oh! I can see this is a great plan already!
Maybe you should take a look at "Operation We**ack" which took place in 1954. Do a quick search and see what you think...
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Orange County
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Here's what I think of Operation "W", as quoted from Wikipedia's article:

"...state and local police agencies to mount an aggressive crackdown, going as far as police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics."

Here's a quote on Mexican Repatriation, the model for Operation "W", also quoted from a Wikipedia article:

"...taking place between 1931 and 1934, when over 500,000 Mexicans and Mexican-Americans, more than one third of the United States Mexican population, were deported or "voluntarily repatriated" to Mexico. The majority of them were American citizens... The Immigration and Naturalization Service targeted Mexicans because of "the proximity of the Mexican border, the physical distinctiveness of mestizos, and easily identifiable barrios."[1]

While the authorities meant well in both cases, the result was an overwhelming amount of racial profiling and singling out of Mexicans because of geography. I guess Asians received "theirs" during WWII and the concentration camps. Also, the government apologized for Mexican Repatriation in 2005, so how productive was it?
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:54 AM
 
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Maybe you should take a look at "Operation We**ack" which took place in 1954. Do a quick search and see what you think...
So you are suggesting we deport American citizens?

Should we start with you perhaps?
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:41 AM
 
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So you are suggesting we deport American citizens?

Should we start with you perhaps?
Where did I say we should deport American citizens ??

Come on you can do better...
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:51 AM
 
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Here's what I think of Operation "W", as quoted from Wikipedia's article:

"...state and local police agencies to mount an aggressive crackdown, going as far as police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics."

Here's a quote on Mexican Repatriation, the model for Operation "W", also quoted from a Wikipedia article:

"...taking place between 1931 and 1934, when over 500,000 Mexicans and Mexican-Americans, more than one third of the United States Mexican population, were deported or "voluntarily repatriated" to Mexico. The majority of them were American citizens... The Immigration and Naturalization Service targeted Mexicans because of "the proximity of the Mexican border, the physical distinctiveness of mestizos, and easily identifiable barrios."[1]

While the authorities meant well in both cases, the result was an overwhelming amount of racial profiling and singling out of Mexicans because of geography. I guess Asians received "theirs" during WWII and the concentration camps. Also, the government apologized for Mexican Repatriation in 2005, so how productive was it?
I can hardly believe a person who has citizenship in this country could be deported. Did they throw their citizenship papers away that they worked so hard to get ?
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:32 AM
 
Location: McKinney, TX
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I did not read anywhere that American citizens should be deported, what I read is about some embarrassing mistakes the Government has made in the past, by wrongly deporting American citizens to Mexico in the 30's and by sending to concentration camps many Americans with Japanese ancestry in the 40's.
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:58 AM
 
Location: McKinney, TX
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I believe that no breaking of the law should be permitted in the U.S., whether it's in Immigration or taxation matters. No one can get away from violating the IRS laws and the same treatment should be applied to Immigration violators. I think that the Government has been intentionally lax in this area for political and diplomatic reasons, but it shouldn't be. When I emigrated to the U.S. 50 years ago, I took me three years to obtain my visa for permanent residence, now it takes a lot longer; that's why I don't think it's fair that people should come to the U.S. without a visa or be allowed to overstay their visitor's visa, because by doing so, they are bypassing all those law-abiding persons that try to emigrate legally. It's interesting that those countries that get very upset when the U.S. sends back to them their illegal nationals, have stricter Immigration laws that the U.S. For example, what will happen to you, if you try to go to Mexico or to another foreign country to visit or to work without a visa? You will end up in jail or worse.
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Old 02-25-2007, 11:02 AM
 
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See Minutemen and related controversy. I don't want some "gun totin' back country fella" representing my country when countless cases of violations of Human Rights are reported. We have law enforcement officials and government officials for a reason-- to do the jobs they are elected and subseqently held accountable for their actions.

Volunteer 1: I just hauled three brownfaced criminal peoples back across the border!
Volunteer 2: Yeah, and I had to retrieve them because two were legal residents and the other a citizen.
Volunteer 1: But they looked illegal. They was standin' by Home Depot!
Volunteer 2: Because they were waiting for an equipment delivery, not work.

I can imagine the YouTube clips already.
Why is it the first thing that comes to your mind is the Minutemen? Seems like you also make alot of assumptions. I was referring to the idea of retired police, former military personnel and others like them undergoing training for BP but serving as a volunteer. In rural areas there used to be and maybe still are Volunteer Fire Departments where citizen volunteers are trained to help the professional fire fighters. Volunteers could help in other ways, too. Some could assist with paperwork, maybe be trained to work at the communications center. Anything that will make our BP more effective is worth considering.
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:35 PM
 
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Why is it the first thing that comes to your mind is the Minutemen? Seems like you also make alot of assumptions. I was referring to the idea of retired police, former military personnel and others like them undergoing training for BP but serving as a volunteer. In rural areas there used to be and maybe still are Volunteer Fire Departments where citizen volunteers are trained to help the professional fire fighters. Volunteers could help in other ways, too. Some could assist with paperwork, maybe be trained to work at the communications center. Anything that will make our BP more effective is worth considering.
Well and to add to that, there are a lot of non-white, non-male, non-gun totin' fellas that are members of the minutemen group. Go ahead and youtube it, because your evidence is there--people of all ethnicities upset over our immigration policies.
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