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Old 11-20-2008, 08:07 PM
 
Location: southern california
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trust me if you think being black and functioning in USA is tough try doing it in mexico.
sounds however like a smart man. not too many people in the urban areas seem concerned about where we are going but he is at least aware. the rug is about to be pulled out from under poor urban american and most don't have a clue. likes ants on a floating log.
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:17 PM
 
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The 14th amendment was never about foreign citizens who wished to bypass the immigration laws of the USA.

It was for the children of slaves, not for every citizen of every foreign nation to have a "back-door" way around the laws.
Agreed. Every American politician is fully aware of that fact. A few have tried to get it rescinded however, those in the pockets of big business would have had to return all of their ill gotten gains back to their friends the lobbyists. I'm sure I don't have to tell you the end of this story.
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:25 PM
 
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In light of the fact that slavery was abolished in 1862 I fail to see how abolition of the birthright citizenship clause would affect the children born in America to black Americans or Americans of any race for that matter. My point is that two illegal alien nationals cannot produce an American citizen. If one parent is a legal immigrant who gives birth on American soil then that is strictly a separate issue as that parent is legally present and under the jurisdiction of the US. The fraud being perpetrated by the deliberate misinterpretation and abuse of the birthright clause is in and of itself an oxymoron.

Since illegal aliens are not under the jurisidiction of the US in any way, how is it possible simply by virtue of being born on American soil that their offspring are entitled to birthright citizenship?

Therefore, I respectfully disagree with your analogy.
which analogy was that? i don't recall making one. i would just like to know what you would put in place of the citizenship clause, since you want to repeal it. if citizenship ceases to be a birthright, then who do you anticipate would be a citizen?

don't forget, we're on the same side, here.
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:26 PM
 
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The 14th amendment was never about foreign citizens who wished to bypass the immigration laws of the USA.

It was for the children of slaves, not for every citizen of every foreign nation to have a "back-door" way around the laws.
yes, i know that bit of history quite well.
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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which analogy was that? i don't recall making one. i would just like to know what you would put in place of the citizenship clause, since you want to repeal it. if citizenship ceases to be a birthright, then who do you anticipate would be a citizen?

don't forget, we're on the same side, here.
Please re-read YOUR POST AND THEN my post. Therein lies your answer.
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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which analogy was that? i don't recall making one. i would just like to know what you would put in place of the citizenship clause, since you want to repeal it. if citizenship ceases to be a birthright, then who do you anticipate would be a citizen?

don't forget, we're on the same side, here.
The clause should be more specific by stating that this amendment does not include
non-Citizens and families without at least 1 Legal US Citizen and documents to prove citizenship.
That would close the loop hole.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:01 PM
 
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Please re-read YOUR POST AND THEN my post. Therein lies your answer.
i did, and it doesn't, but i won't belabor the point.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:05 PM
 
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The clause should be more specific by stating that this amendment does not include
non-Citizens and families without at least 1 Legal US Citizen and documents to prove citizenship.
That would close the loop hole.
what about resident aliens? my parents, now naturalized citizens, were resident aliens when i was born. i guess i wouldn't be a citizen in your america, which is too bad, because i'm a damned fine citizen.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Pa
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what about resident aliens? my parents, now naturalized citizens, were resident aliens when i was born. i guess i wouldn't be a citizen in your america, which is too bad, because i'm a damned fine citizen.
If here legally and you have a child the child should be eligble for citizenship. But not due to circumstance of birth. Example an illegal pregnant woman gives birth 2 days after crossing the border. Her child is not a citizen of the USA.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:14 PM
 
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If here legally and you have a child the child should be eligble for citizenship. But not due to circumstance of birth. Example an illegal pregnant woman gives birth 2 days after crossing the border. Her child is not a citizen of the USA.
that isn't what he said.
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