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Old 03-07-2007, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Irving. TX
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Thinks about Michael Dell, and Bill Gates..

Wow, that statement is so full of BS you should wipe your mouth.
I can only speak for myself...should I jump in that black hole with you, or what? Speaking of wiping...
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Old 03-07-2007, 01:30 PM
 
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You're just making things up.

If that was so true, why would there be people like Michael Dell, and Bill Gates out there.

They PROVED you don't need to go to college to do something great. And it's like all the self-taught programmers out there. Or ANYONE that is self-taught without college. The only thing a college degree says is, you can be paid more money. It doesn't actually mean you know jack crap. I should know I've only had professors teach me who have NO CLUE what they are talking about. You can't learn about Linux from someone who has never used it. You can't learn about CISCO routers from people who haven't used them. But it's okay, you can teach a college class as long as you have a Bachelors.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Irving. TX
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You're just making things up.

If that was so true, why would there be people like Michael Dell, and Bill Gates out there.

They PROVED you don't need to go to college to do something great. And it's like all the self-taught programmers out there. Or ANYONE that is self-taught without college. The only thing a college degree says is, you can be paid more money. It doesn't actually mean you know jack crap. I should know I've only had professors teach me who have NO CLUE what they are talking about. You can't learn about Linux from someone who has never used it. You can't learn about CISCO routers from people who haven't used them. But it's okay, you can teach a college class as long as you have a Bachelors.

I have to apologize for not seeing your point;

As an IT professional, I see code from those who have formal education vs those that don't - the quality of the projects or pieces of the project done by those with a formal education reflects an obvious attention to specifics, detail, etc..

I take it that you don't have a Graduate degree (or an undergraduate)?

I know several individuals whose lack of a college degree has stunted their earning potential, marketability. Very capable, informed, talented individuals, but...

A formal education adds to one's arsenal - it may not be a true measure of worth or intelligence, but necessary in todays' environment.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:05 PM
 
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As an IT professional, I see code from those who have formal education vs those that don't - the quality of the projects or pieces of the project done by those with a formal education reflects an obvious attention to specifics, detail, etc..

A formal education adds to one's arsenal - it may not be a true measure of worth or intelligence, but necessary in todays' environment.
I know people without degrees who have great precision when writing programs even more so than those that because, a degree obviously means everything to some people.

And you don't need to worry about my status.

It's not like I don't administer my own Linux/Unix system. As well as just earned others respect to administer their's as well.

It's not the degree that means anything like you so think. It's the experience. You can have you're degree till the cows come home, but if you don't have the experience to back it up, it's quite worthless.
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:00 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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MountainBoomer is an individual of character and respect. He understands the racism cancer that still persists, subtle or large, stereotype and prejudice. He understands an illegal immigrant is a person just like me and you.
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Old 03-08-2007, 04:00 AM
 
Location: The Bronx
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I know people without degrees who have great precision when writing programs even more so than those that because, a degree obviously means everything to some people.

And you don't need to worry about my status.

It's not like I don't administer my own Linux/Unix system. As well as just earned others respect to administer their's as well.

It's not the degree that means anything like you so think. It's the experience. You can have you're degree till the cows come home, but if you don't have the experience to back it up, it's quite worthless.
I'm in total agreement with you. I don't even have a BS, and I've on at least three occasions come up with solutions to problems that were better, cheaper, and/or faster than guys with doctorates.

Formal education can be through...but it also tends to condition your point of view to the point that you just don't think of off-beat ideas. It's no accident that amateurs, or non-specialists, regularly come out of left field with some great idea that the "experts" all missed by a mile.

I've heard every snub. Fine. Let them make a nice well qualified mess...there's always good money in cleaning up after them.
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:44 AM
 
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MountainBoomer is an individual of character and respect. He understands the racism cancer that still persists, subtle or large, stereotype and prejudice. He understands an illegal immigrant is a person just like me and you.
An illegal is nothing like me! maybe you.
Im not illegal. Don't put a illegal alien and me in the same bracket. I was brone here work hard here and paid taxes for all these years and worked hard for everything I have. DO NOT compare them to me.
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Irving. TX
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An illegal is nothing like me! maybe you.
Im not illegal. Don't put a illegal alien and me in the same bracket. I was brone here work hard here and paid taxes for all these years and worked hard for everything I have. DO NOT compare them to me.
Aren't you Human? Or did you mean better because of your character? your standards? your work ethic?

could you help me understand what you mean by that?
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Irving. TX
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I know people without degrees who have great precision when writing programs even more so than those that because, a degree obviously means everything to some people.

And you don't need to worry about my status.

It's not like I don't administer my own Linux/Unix system. As well as just earned others respect to administer their's as well.

It's not the degree that means anything like you so think. It's the experience. You can have you're degree till the cows come home, but if you don't have the experience to back it up, it's quite worthless.

I understand your point. Let me just say that along with your accomplishments, experiences, intelligence - a Degree would compliment...

Not as a measure of your 'ability', or intellect, just 'more ammo' for the HIGHLY CoMPETETIVE IT field.

(offshoring/outsourcing is what you should be talking smack about) .

I don't even worry about my Status, so definitely don't concern yourself.

Peace.
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Being human gives no one the right to do what ever they want with no regards for others or the law. We have to obey the laws and so should they. No One is above it.
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