A Cool Head on Immigration (website, anti illegals, arsenal, ethical)

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by antialphabet

It's not about rewarding, its about containment, and reform. People can focus on "punishing" people all they want, but it isn't going to do very much good.

People need to let go of their spite, and come up with a level headed, realistic solution.

People waste so much time on here smearing Mexicans, and talking about how evil they are, and how they are the scourge of the planet, instead of thinking about actual solutions and looking at this rationally.

And no "deport them all" and "go to war with Mexico" are not realistic solutions.

I see mostly ignorance on this forum. A lot of anti-Latino sentiment, whether people want to admit it or not.

Its not about spite... Its about rewarding illegal behavior and what that encourages. More of the same.....
Does a drunk driver learn anything if he is not held accountable?
Will any criminal learn when there is no accountability? This isn't about mexicans its about all illegals and the harm they do to legal citizens. Its about greedy employers. I think we have seen how effective non enforcement has been.
We have had 2 amnesty's and the end result was even more of the same crime.
What message does amnesty send to all those who respected our laws enough to follow the system and enter legally? Should we refund their application fee's?
I am all for finding solutions to seal the border. I am for solutions to take away all incentives for employers to hire illegals. I will never be for rewarding criminal behaviors. That just does not work. An immigrant just like a new hire on a job should be at their very best when starting out. They should be role model people to show that it was no mistake accepting them. Illegals on the other hand start out by demonstrating anything but role model behaviors.
Ignoring the system and our laws. ID Theft. Tax evasion and fraud. Theft of social services. NOT the kind of people we need to improve this nation.
Race, ethnic background, sex, and religion are all non-factors to me.
I learn from my mistakes. I don't need to repeat 3 times to know a mistake for what it is. Amnesty has been a mistake twice already. Failing to seal the borders, failing to enforce our laws, and failing to hold offenders accountable have been huge mistakes and Joe blue collar worker is the one paying the price for it.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by antialphabet

. A lot of anti-Latino sentiment, whether people want to admit it or not.

Interesting. Why do you think that is happening? I mean, everything happens for a reason. I've seen some posts like that but not the norm. What is happening to make a few posters "post" like that?

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Interesting. Why do you think that is happening? I mean, everything happens for a reason. I've seen some posts like that but not the norm. What is happening to make a few posters "post" like that?

Could it be the percentage of offenders? Could it be the demand for special rights? Could it be the entitment mentality that we some how owe them a walk and more?

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by tinman01

Its not about spite... Its about rewarding illegal behavior and what that encourages. More of the same.....
Does a drunk driver learn anything if he is not held accountable?
Will any criminal learn when there is no accountability? This isn't about mexicans its about all illegals and the harm they do to legal citizens. Its about greedy employers. I think we have seen how effective non enforcement has been.
We have had 2 amnesty's and the end result was even more of the same crime.
What message does amnesty send to all those who respected our laws enough to follow the system and enter legally? Should we refund their application fee's?
I am all for finding solutions to seal the border. I am for solutions to take away all incentives for employers to hire illegals. I will never be for rewarding criminal behaviors. That just does not work. An immigrant just like a new hire on a job should be at their very best when starting out. They should be role model people to show that it was no mistake accepting them. Illegals on the other hand start out by demonstrating anything but role model behaviors.
Ignoring the system and our laws. ID Theft. Tax evasion and fraud. Theft of social services. NOT the kind of people we need to improve this nation.
Race, ethnic background, sex, and religion are all non-factors to me.
I learn from my mistakes. I don't need to repeat 3 times to know a mistake for what it is. Amnesty has been a mistake twice already. Failing to seal the borders, failing to enforce our laws, and failing to hold offenders accountable have been huge mistakes and Joe blue collar worker is the one paying the price for it.

Well stated! Notwithstanding pro-illegal rhetoric, there simply is no rational defense for illegal immigration; just as there is no rational defense for identity theft, fraud, forgery, etc. It is wrong, and corporate profits and millions of foreigners “seeking a better life” will never alter that fact. As you have stated, rewarding criminal behavior simply encourages more. In spite of the myriad attempts by pro-illegals to justify illegal immigration, it is still a violation of our laws, and granting amnesty would reward those violators.

Today, more than ever, we simply cannot continue to carry this unnecessary burden. Mexico, in particular, has dumped its problems on the U.S. taxpayers. It’s time for them, and other countries, to take care of their own. If my sentiment is considered spiteful or callous, so be it.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

Ms. Napolitano should really put that weasel in his place.

Ah - I don't think so -

Also, keep in mind that Napolitano SENT TROOPS TO THE BORDER and wants to return troops to the border -

[blacknight04]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Ah - I don't think so -

Also, keep in mind that Napolitano SENT TROOPS TO THE BORDER and wants to return troops to the border -

That is why she yanked his funding earlier this year.

Much of the money for Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's immigration-enforcement efforts lately has poured out of a special pool of state money.
But New Times has learned that Governor Janet Napolitano's turning off the spigot.

Phoenix - Valley Fever - Governor yanks Arpaio's immigration funding

[mkfarnam]

Phoenix - Valley Fever - Governor yanks Arpaio's immigration funding

Out dated,.This article is 8 months old.

[antialphabet]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

Out dated,.This article is 8 months old.

8 months isn't a long time when the discussion is about whether or not Napolitano and Arpaio see eye to eye.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

That is why she yanked his funding earlier this year.

He got it back - and more

[antialphabet]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Interesting. Why do you think that is happening? I mean, everything happens for a reason. I've seen some posts like that but not the norm. What is happening to make a few posters "post" like that?

Honestly? Ignorance. Generalizations. Stereotypes.

People can't focus on the topic at hand, and would rather smear an entire group of people than stick to what is being discussed.

Why bad mouth Mexicans when the vast majority of Mexicans and people of Mexican descent are not criminals or illegals?

Why do you feel so defensive over that attitude? It goes beyond the debate, it is inexcusable. If you cared about the topic, you would stand up against the anti-Latino rhetoric, because it gets in the way of discussion, and prevents many people from taking it seriously.

While youre asking questions, why do a few posters see some posters as "racist"? Why do you think that is happening?