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Old 12-02-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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They always manage to circumvent our laws. Why donít they use some of their resourcefulness and fortitude to survive in their countries of origin? Oh, I keep forgetting, they canít use their children to get freebies at home.

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PHOENIX (AP) - Illegal immigrants fired because of Arizona's employer-sanctions law are finding ways to circumvent the system by working for cash or using other people's identities to land jobs.

The maneuvering allows many illegal immigrants and their families to stay in the United States despite the heightened enforcement of immigration laws and the struggling economy.

Gabino, a 37-year-old Phoenix resident who asked that his last name not be used for fear of being deported, is among the illegal immigrants who have shifted from the traditional economy to the underground one.

"It forced us to do a lot more stuff underhanded to survive," Gabino said.
KVOA News 4, Tucson, Arizona - Illegal immigrants turn to underground economy (http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=9437563 - broken link)
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The illegal economy has always existed. It's called day labor and you can see it at any Home Depot parking lot in the Country.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Denver
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It's basic economics at work. You prohibit something, that something goes underground. It happens with labor just like it happened with alcohol or the sex trade.

There is a buyer, there is a seller. The government can increase cost by getting in the way, but it can't stop the transaction.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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The illegal economy has always existed. It's called day labor and you can see it at any Home Depot parking lot in the Country.
Exactly! Just what is new about illegals working for cash under the table and/or stealing ssns? That is nothing new, and certainly hasn't just sprung up since AZ enacted tougher employer laws.

Oh, wait -- thats right, the media thinks we are idiots that can be spoon fed social dogma. Illegals are good for the economy and only break laws when it benefits them, er, I mean only when they are forced to. Luckily the tide is turning against our previous laissez-faire attitude towards illegals. I wonder when the press will catch on?
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There are entire Illegal communities in many Cities that transact completely among their own. What they do that impacts the tax payers is the drain of social services in conjunction with their illegal communities. It's one thing to just exist and another to take money out of the US economy all the while not paying taxes and using tax payer paid social services to boot.
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Old 12-02-2008, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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The illegal economy has always existed. It's called day labor and you can see it at any Home Depot parking lot in the Country.
Come to Western PA, Eastern OH, and WV and we don't have that problem. Probably shouldn't speak up before they hear that and come here
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It's basic economics at work. You prohibit something, that something goes underground. It happens with labor just like it happened with alcohol or the sex trade.

There is a buyer, there is a seller. The government can increase cost by getting in the way, but it can't stop the transaction.
Maybe not stop it but law enforcement will definitely slow the underground economy down where illegals are involved.

Using the alcohol analogy: the strict DUI laws here in Arizona are one huge reason far fewer people drink and drive.
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Come to Western PA, Eastern OH, and WV and we don't have that problem. Probably shouldn't speak up before they hear that and come here
I can certainly attest to the lack of illegals hanging around Home Depots in Western PA. I'm originally from a small town near Pittsburgh, and visited with relatives recently. It was so heavenly I kept expecting to hear harps playing.

I refuse to patronize Home Depot in the DC area due to the hordes of illegals hanging around the parking lots. Two illegals had the gall to follow me to my car the last time I shopped there. When I told them I didnít need their help, they just stood there and refused to leave. Women shouldnít have to encounter such menacing behavior while leaving a store. I recently spent a bundle on appliances and home improvement materials, and sent a nice letter to Home Depot explaining why I spent my money at Loweís.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:00 PM
 
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home depot has a targeted hispanic hiring program with the national council of la raza.

of course their association with day laborers bit them on the butt when the Los Angeles City Council unanimously approved an ordinance requiring them to develop plans for dealing with day laborers who congregate nearby in search of jobs.

The ordinance mandates that proposed big-box stores obtain conditional-use permits, which would then require them to build day-labor centers with shelter, drinking water, bathrooms and trash cans.

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Old 12-02-2008, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Maybe not stop it but law enforcement will definitely slow the underground economy down where illegals are involved.

Using the alcohol analogy: the strict DUI laws here in Arizona are one huge reason far fewer people drink and drive.
Marginally, yes. But I don't think there will be a meaningful reduction in illegal immigration as long as the labor markets are so lop-sided.

A DUI analogy isn't a good one, because there is no market incentive for drunk driving.

Law enforcement only works when law-breakers represent a tiny minority. The vast majority of all businesses use some kind of illegal labor, so short of a police state, you can't enforce a law against it.
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