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Old 03-02-2007, 03:39 PM
 
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Marijuana, perhaps. Other drugs? I hope not.

The legalization of crystal meth, for example, would be a national disaster. The sidewalks would literally be littered with the victims of drug induced strokes, heart attacks, and kidney failure.
When methamphetamine was available by prescription in the 1950s and 1960s (and less strong amphetamines were also available, some even over the counter) did those problems take place?

I would be uncomfortable with the legalization of meth (or other "upper" drugs), but prohibition clearly isn't working. Things couldn't be worse than they already are.
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Old 03-02-2007, 03:51 PM
 
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I was being sarcastic!! They are always telling us they are here for work. But, then they are getting caught with drugs,rape,child kidnapping,gang activity etc. I am sick of it and there doesn't seem to be anyone in our government really stepping forward and saying enough is enough.
Few want to recognize the illegal immigration/prostitution link, not even the most hard core "anti illegal immigration" people, because a solution to that issue would imply some sort of legalization of prostitution In California and Arizona, most hookers are illegals (except on the highest level), and many illegal immigrants come across for those purposes or oare forced to be prostitutes by coyote pimps. The US is quick to admit sexual slavery happening elsewhere, but is loath to admit that it is the world's #1 destination for sexual human trafficking. Reducing illegal immigration would allow US citizens to enter the "world's oldest profession" again rather than illegals who are often forced to sell their bodies.

The drug stuff seems to be an OK topic of discussion, because that falls into their model of "evil bad men from outside coming to do harm", but the prostitiution issue seems to be beyond the pale because so many of the immigration reductionists are "social conservatives".
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Old 03-02-2007, 03:59 PM
 
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When methamphetamine was available by prescription in the 1950s and 1960s (and less strong amphetamines were also available, some even over the counter) did those problems take place?

I would be uncomfortable with the legalization of meth (or other "upper" drugs), but prohibition clearly isn't working. Things couldn't be worse than they already are.

I think that before so much attention was focused on impaired driving, there were numerous horrific car and truck accidents attributed at the time to poor judgement or operator error, whose root cause was amphetamine use. These drugs are extemely treacherous in that they make people feel alert when they are really not.

The drug culture of the sixties, along with the ready availability of phenyl-2-propanone, gave rise to a massive outbreak of amphetamine abuse in California in the '60's. Hence the slogan, "Speed kills."

I agree that the current situation leaves a lot to be desired, but legalization of that stuff...the idea makes me shiver.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:55 PM
 
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Just because Mexico has fallen from being #2 in importing drugs to the US to #3 (Afghanistan is now #2 but Colombia is still #1) isn't implying that Mexico isn't still a major source. The fact that it's fallen to #3 isn't because of lack of effort by Mexican cartels, it's because the flow of Afghan heroin to the US is now so high that Afghanistan has taken the #2 spot.

WWWWHHHHAAAAT? Pakifornia? I guess its all what part of the state you live in.

You should know that Canada is the #1 Drug importing nation to the US market. Most of the illegal and legal drugs that enter the USA enter through CANADIAN trucking and air shipments. As well as walk over shipments by illegal aliens sneaking in from Canada through our Northern frontier.
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Old 03-03-2007, 07:42 PM
 
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Few want to recognize the illegal immigration/prostitution link, not even the most hard core "anti illegal immigration" people, because a solution to that issue would imply some sort of legalization of prostitution In California and Arizona, most hookers are illegals (except on the highest level), and many illegal immigrants come across for those purposes or are forced to be prostitutes by coyote pimps.

Legalization wouldn't necessarily change things. Germany recently legalized prostitution. Unfortunaltely the laws only apply to German citizens, and 80% of German prostitutes aren't citizens.

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Old 03-04-2007, 09:14 PM
 
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Marijuana, perhaps. Other drugs? I hope not.

The legalization of crystal meth, for example, would be a national disaster. The sidewalks would literally be littered with the victims of drug induced strokes, heart attacks, and kidney failure.

Very true! Now, finally a good treatment FROM GOD to drug addicts (read further)! It should be forced for c. meth addicts since they often have aversion to pills and medical care. First from Columbia came cocaine, now most addicts are switched to Meth the devil's drug that changes a sweet personality to a devil, plus the meth phychosis, this poison also destroys pleasure center of brain, the drug for child abuse, and the worst drug. The MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL is the way most all C. Meth gets into the U.S, they need to be wiped out. Our government is trying to stop the world's pseudoephedrine labs, then C. Meth will be gone for good, just like Qualudes are gone. Until then, a GREAT TREATMENT HAS ARRIVED: The cause of addiction is proved to be a dramatric rise in brain doapmine due to drugs of abuse. Now, an old epilepsy drug available..! around the world for over 20 yrs. that our government has discovered, stops drug addiction: c. meth., cocaine, heroin, alcohol, MJ, tobacco, inhalants, ectasy. The cravings leave in 7-14 days and treatment is for 9 wks. Clinical trials successful for c. meth and cocaine, more planned in U.S. after FDA approval of 1-'05. Has the most evidence ever submitted on any addiction treatment, to the NIH. It's Vigabatrin/gvg/sabril. www.bnl.gov. Also if interested, see Catalyst Pharmaceutical Partners..! website.

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Old 03-05-2007, 10:03 AM
 
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Just wondering why our government has really never done anything about the drugs that come here. Is there something in it for them to have a bunch of craze addicted citizens dummy down our nation, so that they don't have to pay to educate the citizens. There has got to be a reason or profit for the drug problem to have gotten so big.

The one I really like is Mexican parents are saying "There kids didn't know drugs until they got to America"!! What kind of statement is this!!
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:49 AM
 
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After living in California for some years, I came to believe, though I cannot prove, that elements of the State government there are very happy to see the populace smoking plenty of pot.

Some people use it occasionally, which seems to do little harm. But, the true pothead is never really "straight." Constant use seems to induce this kind of muzziness that tends to make people apathetic.
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:04 PM
 
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Few want to recognize the illegal immigration/prostitution link, not even the most hard core "anti illegal immigration" people, because a solution to that issue would imply some sort of legalization of prostitution In California and Arizona, most hookers are illegals (except on the highest level), and many illegal immigrants come across for those purposes or are forced to be prostitutes by coyote pimps.

Legalization wouldn't necessarily change things. Germany recently legalized prostitution. Unfortunaltely the laws only apply to German citizens, and 80% of German prostitutes aren't citizens.
I read an article awhile back that when the Netherlands legalized it did reduce the number of illegal immigrants involved in the sex trade
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:08 PM
 
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Very true! Now, finally a good treatment FROM GOD to drug addicts (read further)! It should be forced for c. meth addicts since they often have aversion to pills and medical care. First from Columbia came cocaine, now most addicts are switched to Meth the devil's drug that changes a sweet personality to a devil, plus the meth phychosis, this poison also destroys pleasure center of brain, the drug for child abuse, and the worst drug. The MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL is the way most all C. Meth gets into the U.S, they need to be wiped out. Our government is trying to stop the world's pseudoephedrine labs, then C. Meth will be gone for good, just like Qualudes are gone.
Quaaludes/Mandrax is still made in India and South Africa.
And a considerable amount of meth is made in the US.
Mexican cartels are not the only meth traffickers ; the Triads, the Yakuza, and the North Korean government are also involved.
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