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Old 03-03-2007, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Why is it that many of the same people who complain about illegal immigrants and crime and illegal immigrants not being able to speak the English language are also opposed to educating the children of illegal immigrants?
Because it costs us billions of dollars a year here in CA. In CA, half our state's budget is for education, and there's still a huge deficit.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:13 PM
 
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Maybe we won't have to.

Hershey moving more production to Mexico
February 16, 2007
The Hershey Co., whose name has been synonymous with U.S. candymaking for more than a century, is moving a bigger chunk of its production to Mexico.

A day after Valentine sweethearts across the country enjoyed bags of Hershey's Kisses, the company announced a restructuring plan that would scale back its work force by 1,500 jobs and force some plants to close.

Hershey said the three-year blueprint would reduce the number of production lines more than one-third, while saving the company as much as $190 million a year.

The maker of Hershey's Kisses, Reese's peanut butter cups and Mounds bars employs about 13,000 at 20 plants in the United States, Canada, Mexico and Brazil. The planned cuts amount to 11.5 percent of that work force.

The proportion of Hershey's manufacturing done in the U.S. and Canada will shrink, from 90 percent to 80 percent, and the effect will vary from one plant to another.



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Old 03-03-2007, 05:38 PM
 
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I do not believe that we should be accomodating education for illegal imigrants. I think that we are sending a mixed message, you can not be here illegally but if you are we will educate you, feed you and give you free health care. I am a single mother and teacher. SO many or our No Child Left Behind mandates are centered around students who can not read or speak properly. A lot of this stems from students who are coming from foreign countries and entering the school systems. In NY, we have almost thirty kids to a class. Is it any surprise that a percentage of those students are moving to the next grade unable to adequately comprehend the lessons from that grade level? Either the government is going to enforce its position on illegeal aliens or it needs to just open the borders and stand aside.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:46 PM
 
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Lightbulb Illegal education

I do not believe that we should be accomodating education for illegal imigrants. I think that we are sending a mixed message, you can not be here illegally but if you are we will educate you, feed you and give you free health care. I am a single mother and teacher. SO many or our No Child Left Behind mandates are centered around students who can not read or speak properly. A lot of this stems from students who are coming from foreign countries and entering the school systems. In NY, we have almost thirty kids to a class. Is it any surprise that a percentage of those students are moving to the next grade unable to adequately comprehend the lessons from that grade level? Either the government is going to enforce its position on illegeal aliens or it needs to just open the borders and stand aside.
In addition, when the early immigrant arrived in the United States, there were no classes for them to learn english in public school. Each one would take it upon themselves to learn, to practice. It frustrates me when some of my parents have been here ten or more years and still have not felt the need to learn english. How can a child be expected to do what their parents do not. By not learning the language of your new country you are saying that it is not important. What is not important to you will not be important to your children.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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We need to address the immigrants who are already here and register them as guest residents subject to the following:

Citizenship:

Allow every non-citizen currently residing in the United States to register for citizenship subject to the following:

The petitioning guest resident must not have a criminal background nor commit any crime within their guest residency period.

The petitioning guest resident pledges allegiance to respect the laws of the United States and the principles set forth in the Constitution of the United States.

The petitioning guest resident must demonstrate a functional level of proficiency in English and the history of the United States within a specified period of time.

The petitioning guest resident must remain employed, capable of sustaining employment, or capable of providing for themselves and dependents while a guest resident of the United States.

Consider the granting of guest resident visas subject to the following:
All of the above requirements for current guest residents;

Fast-track admission preference for documented skills in U.S. shortage areas such as medicine, technology, engineering, and science.


Security:

Establish a national worker’s identification card containing a photograph, home address, and citizen status (resident or guest resident/expiration date). Verification of status could be checked by scanning the card through the current banking system network or verified at any local bank or town hall.

Make it unlawful to employ or provide housing for any worker that does not have or be able to provide a national identification card prior to beginning work or establishing residence.

These are some of my thoughts under "A Lincolnian Party Vision for America."

Visit lincolnians.com or lincolnians.org for more information.
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Old 03-11-2007, 04:19 PM
 
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Angry Educating illegals in California

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone could enjoy the benefits of a FREE education? How is it that we as citzens of the USA and legal residents of California are able to have a free public education? Well, we pay taxes don't we? And our taxes fund education. Now how can we justify educating children whose parents are of an illegal status and who do NOT contribute to paying the taxes? Not only that, these children come to schools with limited knowledge of English and limited knowledge of any fundamental concepts even in their primary language. How can we justify holding teachers responsible for these children passing the California State tests, and when they don't pass for obvious reasons, penalize the teachers? This just isn't right!! The responsibilty goes to the parents and even beyond that to our government who allows this to happen!! Illegal parents should not be allowed to admit their children into the public school system. It is not right to hold teachers responsible for these children!!!!
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Old 03-12-2007, 12:57 AM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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To the post above, many illegal immigrants do pay taxes, it comes out of everyone's personal paycheck.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Where the real happy cows reside!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ersonalfinance

Hope this helps some regarding the tax issue
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:45 PM
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ersonalfinance

Hope this helps some regarding the tax issue
Now let's take a look at what the first page says.

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Overall, area immigrants pay nearly one-third of their income to the government -- at least $10 billion a year -- but those here illegally pay less than $1 of every $5 they earn in taxes, the report says. That is partly because they earn less but also because many are paid off the books and escape payroll taxes.
Now I'm not saying that all don't, it's just an undeniable fact that many do NOT pay taxes. Why not pay taxes? Heck, it's not like the IRS will catch them. Just leave and come back under a different Pseudonym. Pretty easy.
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Where the real happy cows reside!
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Ronzou - I found it to be a very interesting article and I agree with what you say. Another fact is a lot of illegal immigrants take that tax free money and put little if any of it back into the local communities. It's all sent back home to Mexico. I totally agree with local governments going after the businesses that hire illegals. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
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