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Old 05-05-2009, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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Gentlemen,
I am very sorry to hear all the senseless things you are saying. As you can see in the words you are writing, this country based in consuming and material things has made this happen.
the country has to help people so people vote for the government while they drain the pockets of everybody that can have any kind of money to help people for money. brothers what is happening? is helping a human being so bad? man needs to stop this money idea. money only makes it easy to sell your things. who ever said anything anybody owns is theirs? everything is from the universe of matter and energy and you are just part of it made of matter and energy. When you die you return yourself to the universe and everything you "own" returns to the same place. human beings cant create things, they can only take other things and combine them in any way their logic permits them.
man i am 18 I came from Spain 3 years ago I am an ILLEGAL immigrant and my family pays for any medical expense we have to pay and we have no insurance. My dad is a honest man a little crazy he said that I wasn't going to grow well in a country that takes care of everybody and there is no possibility or aspirations of having a business. yes I used to look up to the "American culture" but it resulted that this country is governed by stupid people and money. I dont know what is worst if the people of this country are so simple minded or that need money to survive. Freedom? no. DEATH...
If you hate our country so much, go back to Spain. I love this country and will fight tooth and nail to keep it from illegal leeches and illegal's that hate us.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:18 AM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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I Agree with AZBEAR and CIAERIN..

Dunctem, if things are so bad here in the U.S., why even go through the effort of staying here illegally? Why not go back to your home country and try to improve the lives of the people there and hold your government accountable? Why not hold a protest in Spain? (or for those from Mexico, Mexico?).

Isn't money the reason why many immigrate to the U.S. illegally? From what I've seen of many illegal aliens, they tend to be huge consumers and drive the flashy SUV's, and are always out shopping at the mall, WalMart, the flea market, etc on Weekends as well as some of the biggest consumers of Fast food.

While I'm not a very materialistic person myself, I will say that the only difference is that most U.S. Taxpayers have to pay taxes and work a legitimate job for their "things" and not be able to skirt the laws and receive grants and taxpayer handouts as many illegals do.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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You need to report to the nearest Spanish consolate (sp) for repatriation back home------------otherwise, you will be picked up and thrown into jail.
I know I can be thrown into jail and deported.
look man, I just want to be happy I want to marry my girlfriend, (no she isn't having a baby or nothing like that) get citizenship (yes she is a Caucasian female of good family) so I can build a family with a house, a dog, and lots of children. I WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO STAY WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND PROVIDE FOR HER.

if I decide to go back to Europe and live in that bull**** socialism where man loses their humanity it will be the day I give up on hope that this world can change... America is one of the last true democracies but it is falling now...
it's bull****.
it is sad.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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I Agree with AZBEAR and CIAERIN..

Dunctem, if things are so bad here in the U.S., why even go through the effort of staying here illegally? Why not go back to your home country and try to improve the lives of the people there and hold your government accountable? Why not hold a protest in Spain? (or for those from Mexico, Mexico?).

Isn't money the reason why many immigrate to the U.S. illegally? From what I've seen of many illegal aliens, they tend to be huge consumers and drive the flashy SUV's, and are always out shopping at the mall, WalMart, the flea market, etc on Weekends as well as some of the biggest consumers of Fast food.

While I'm not a very materialistic person myself, I will say that the only difference is that most U.S. Taxpayers have to pay taxes and work a legitimate job for their "things" and not be able to skirt the laws and receive grants and taxpayer handouts as many illegals do.
if you let those "illegals" become legals they will pay taxes man if that is what worries you

and i dont go back to my country because i fell in love with an american girl.
and it is not the country is people with no brain and no heart that make any place a socialism like Spain .
socialism takes humanity out of any human being.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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If you hate our country so much, go back to Spain. I love this country and will fight tooth and nail to keep it from illegal leeches and illegal's that hate us.
man all that hate is not going to take you anywhere first of all.
I am in love with my girlfriend (wich she is an american Caucasian nonhispanic descent) and she wants to go to europe. but I tell her that i am not raisning kids in a socialist country.

wait who said this country is yours??
this is the governments country. stop paying your beautiful "taxes" and they will put you in jail faster than a black kid with a gun in a bank.
man this world is ****ed up.

you think "you'r country" recognizes you in any way? you are just a NUMBER.
do you understand that?
or are you that thick.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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can somebody with some sense please talk?
like i don't want to be rude or anything I am just angry don't take anything personal and if I offended anybody please forgive me. everybody makes mistake only some people learn from them though.
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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can somebody with some sense please talk?
like i don't want to be rude or anything I am just angry don't take anything personal and if I offended anybody please forgive me. everybody makes mistake only some people learn from them though.
It seems to me that what you have a problem with is the route our politics is taking and not the concept of the US itself.
The problem is that you are here illegally - and as such, you are unable to vote or in any other way try to change our country for the better. I imagine you feel very frustrated about that.
Since you father sent you here as a minor (is that correct?) you may have a chance of returning to Spain and reapplying to immigrate here legally. You should spend the money and get advise from an immigration attorney.
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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man all that hate is not going to take you anywhere first of all.
I am in love with my girlfriend (wich she is an american Caucasian nonhispanic descent) and she wants to go to europe. but I tell her that i am not raisning kids in a socialist country.

wait who said this country is yours??
this is the governments country. stop paying your beautiful "taxes" and they will put you in jail faster than a black kid with a gun in a bank.
man this world is ****ed up.

you think "you'r country" recognizes you in any way? you are just a NUMBER.
do you understand that?
or are you that thick.

Who said the country was mine? My forefathers who fought to keep this country free, My parents for telling me to love god, country, and life. My Drill Instructor screaming in my face about how MY country wants ME to be the best soldier I can be. My country recognizes me. Every time I walk by someone and say hello, my fellow countryman/woman smiles and says hello back.

A government does not make a country, The Citizens Make A Country.
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:03 AM
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Back on topic guys.
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:14 AM
 
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can somebody with some sense please talk?
like i don't want to be rude or anything I am just angry don't take anything personal and if I offended anybody please forgive me. everybody makes mistake only some people learn from them though.
The USA takes in far more legal immigrants than does any other nation in the world, many more than your country brings in.

There are many people who want to come to the USA, the entire world cannot come here so there must be an orderly and fair process -- and legal. No one who comes here illegally should be given an advantage over all the many who are attempting to come here legally.

If you have a girlfriend and if you haven't been caught being here illegally, you and she should return to your country and start over the right way. Once you're found to be here illegally, getting married for a green card won't necessarily help your case.
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