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Old 01-05-2009, 12:02 AM
 
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I always thought that myself. If Mexico was completely fenced off, I think the Asian crime elements that are more than likely already present in Canada
They are not only DEFINITELY present in Canada but also DEFINITELY present in the U.S. as well.

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would see it as a great opportunity to start smuggling from the northern border.
They've been in the US for decades, so they wouldn't have to go through Canada. There's so much cargo coming in from Asia that it would be very easy to smuggle "China White" into the US. They're very disciplined and business like, and considered impossible to penetrate.

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Drug smuggling isn't about culture. It's about money
Exactly. The "French Connection" was run by white Europeans and white Americans, does that mean their culture was somehow degraded? No. Do the Triads indicate that Chinese culture is somehow degraded? No.

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and location location location. Mexico is right between some big drug producing areas in the jungles of central/south america
Mexico also has its own drug producing area - Sinaloa.

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and the biggest buyer of drugs: the U.S.
Exactly.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:02 AM
 
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Kidnapping for ransom doesn't bring in the money drugs does. I'm not even sure you're talking about the cartels about that. There are kidnapping rings that prey on the rich in Mexico. I'm not sure where you're drawing the connection to cartels.

Where do you think the money to purchase American guns that are smuggled into Mexico comes from?
Where do you think the money to purchase immunity comes from?

Crossing the drugs brings the money. Come on now, that's common sense.
The guns being smuggled into Mexico is the same as drugs being smuggled into the US. In both cases, there's someone on the other side buying.

All that could be stopped at the border but it's you people who insist there must be no border whatsoever, no enforcement of our laws.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:04 AM
 
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All that could be stopped at the border but it's you people who insist there must be no border whatsoever, no enforcement of our laws.
Excuse me, do me a favor and find ONE post where I said I don't want a border. That's a recurring theme in this forum with you guys.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:10 AM
 
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Excuse me, do me a favor and find ONE post where I said I don't want a border. That's a recurring theme in this forum with you guys.
They think that anyone who doesn't EXACTLY share their views is The Enemy.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:13 AM
 
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There's always the sea.

And if you think illegal drugs would be kept out even if the US/Mexico border was as closed and fortified as the former border between West and East Germany pre-1989, you're extremely naive. The #1 producer of hard drugs in the world isn't in Latin America (hint: the US and our allies have troops there right now). If every Latin American drug cartel disappeared tomorrow Asians would step in, whether it be the Chinese Triads (the world's oldest and largest organized crime group) or the Pakistani drug families.
what i think is that the fence is very effective, which is why there was tremendous resistance to it being built. fences dont stop trafficking they reduce it drastically.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:14 AM
 
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Excuse me, do me a favor and find ONE post where I said I don't want a border. That's a recurring theme in this forum with you guys.
Okay you want an unenforced border with no limitations at all for those coming from Mexico and/or Central American nations.

You're always pushing the pro-illegal agenda, no limitations on who or how many can come here, and that felony document fraud and ID theft committed by them is fine, so fine you promote rewarding them for committing these crimes by giving them citizenship here.

The rest of us believe that immigration laws should exist, they should be followed. That immigration should be orderly, fair, legal and not simply to obtain the cheapest possible labor in unlimited amounts.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Okay you want an unenforced border with no limitations at all for those coming from Mexico and/or Central American nations.

You're always pushing the pro-illegal agenda, no limitations on who or how many can come here, and that felony document fraud and ID theft committed by them is fine, so fine you promote rewarding them for committing these crimes by giving them citizenship here.

The rest of us believe that immigration laws should exist, they should be followed. That immigration should be orderly, fair, legal and not simply to obtain the cheapest possible labor in unlimited amounts.
Again, find me some proof. Because at the moment, you're just talking a lot of bullsh--.
Find me posts where I've said those things.

You guys all do the same thing . It's how you approach any issue. Illegal Aliens, people who disagree with you, Hispanics, whatever.

Rule 1: Smear smear smear
Rule 2: Be self-righteous and ride a very high horse.

Get new material.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:25 AM
 
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fences dont stop trafficking they reduce it drastically.
They just drive the trade out to sea.

Unfamiliar with the "French Connection"? What land borders were being crossed by that massive drug smuggling operation in the 1960s? Not to mention that Australia has a massive drug problem, and what land borders are being crossed to bring drugs into Australia?
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:30 AM
 
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what i think is that the fence is very effective, which is why there was tremendous resistance to it being built. fences dont stop trafficking they reduce it drastically.
Drugs and illegal immigrants are two very different things. Illegal immigrants, you can slow down.
Drugs? I don't know about that.
You could bubble us up like the bubble boy, and folks would be cooking up meth to get rich as domestic drug suppliers.

Illegal immigrants are coming here for their own good.
Drugs are coming to the United States because of the many many many people who want to buy them to distribute them to many many many more people who want to buy and take them.

Even before the time of the powerful Mexican drug cartels, Americans used to go to Mexico or even as far as Columbia to pick up shipments. Even American veteran pilots would start teams that would go pick up drugs in planes.

I think the fence is a small thing, and people shouldn't realistically expect it to make a difference in the drug problem of the U.S.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:30 AM
 
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The rest of us believe that immigration laws should exist, they should be followed. That immigration should be orderly, fair, legal and not simply to obtain the cheapest possible labor in unlimited amounts.
I believe that as well. I just don't think that bigotry and racism, or even "sovereignity", have anything to do with the problem. Illegal immigration is fundamentally an ECONOMIC problem.

Talk about small, dark, "subhuman", perverted men from southern and eastern lands coming into a country in order to deliberately leech off it, have sex with its women, and ultimately try to ruin it and take it over is nothing new. There was a guy in Bavaria in the 1920s who talked like that
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