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Old 02-21-2009, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The animals that cheat our welfare system. They most likely do it in Maryland as well as California.

I was only saying that *YOU* can't tell me what goes on where *I* live. Well, can you? How's the guy next door to me cheating taxpayers? I can tell you--I told Social Security, but they don't care what drug-addicted lowlife pressures their way into his home. They don't care that a Marylander is ignorant or silent about his fraud. They don't even care what I have to say, and I live next-door to him.

But none of this has to do with immigration, so--
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Are you suggesting that being "surrounded by welfare fraud and lowlifes" (and that is apt, since the retar--developmentally disabled live on all sides with an open door to drug-addicted lowlifes) is my "lifestyle"?

It's not.
I was merely responding to YOUR post (see above) in which you indicated you live around welfare frauds and lowlifes. I was not implying that itís your lifestyle. I was only stating that my lifestyle does not involve living in that environment.
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Huh? Of course many minimum wage/welfare lowlifes have "other money" coming in. Their abuse of our welfare system was my point. I'm a disabled person (U.S. native and USAF combat veteran, as I apparently must disclaim) that actually lives with the cheating, lying lowlifes.

I just don't see immigrants as a substantial part of the abuse. Please don't tell me that I should, unless you care to join me. I am in Section 8 housing in California. I don't conceal the income that comes into my house (SSA only, btw) or garage (garage?) I don't support anyone cheating to get what little there is in our welfare programs. Got it?
Garage? Because illegals live people's garages in CA, especially in the LA area. BTW, illegals and immigrants are a very big part of the welfare cheaters out there. Yes, there are Americans that cheat the system but you would be surprised at how many illegals scam the system.
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:55 PM
 
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Garage? Because illegals live people's garages in CA, especially in the LA area. BTW, illegals and immigrants are a very big part of the welfare cheaters out there. Yes, there are Americans that cheat the system but you would be surprised at how many illegals scam the system.
Well, APJ, I left "LA" back when there were too many "LA people" coming in. We used to beat 'em up or trash their cars, just for being from "the Valley". Don't ask, it's just how it was in the '70s--SSL, HPL, OSL, and so on--but I was just a kid.

People that live in garages are not getting Section 8 or any federal housing assistance because that doesn't meet HUD's Housing Quality Standards. What might "surprise" this user is likely a long way from what might surprise those that have never dealt with "the system".

I am not in favor of welfare or housing fraud, and I suspect that no one is--no matter how much they love immigrants. I could tell you (from the "inside") a few reforms to get cheaters (illegal immigrants or anyone that wants to flout the law do have an edge) out of "the system". These reforms don't "get illegals" or anything, but they crack down on fraud or close loopholes for aliens. Unfortunately, "I" have been banned and surely could offer nothing within the TOS. Sorry.
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:09 PM
 
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I was merely responding to YOUR post (see above) in which you indicated you live around welfare frauds and lowlifes. I was not implying that itís your lifestyle. I was only stating that my lifestyle does not involve living in that environment.
Ok, Benicar. It's not my lifestyle. I am not a welfare cheat. My "environment" does include many retarded adults on welfare that cannot say no to the drug addicts that leech off of them. (Talk about your attractive nuisance.)

I am not retarded nor drug addicted, but it is part of my environment. None of these lowlifes appear to be immigrants or illegals. I can only report what I see (Section 8 abuse) here in the trenches and wonder how the blame has been displaced onto illegals. My "beef" is with the cheats that are destroying the quality of my life, and they are not apparently illegal. I'll certainly acknowledge that illegals don't make it better, but they don't seem to be a factor here. If they are known to be undocumented they are not assisted.
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Well, APJ, I left "LA" back when there were too many "LA people" coming in. We used to beat 'em up or trash their cars, just for being from "the Valley". Don't ask, it's just how it was in the '70s--SSL, HPL, OSL, and so on--but I was just a kid.

People that live in garages are not getting Section 8 or any federal housing assistance because that doesn't meet HUD's Housing Quality Standards. What might "surprise" this user is likely a long way from what might surprise those that have never dealt with "the system".

I am not in favor of welfare or housing fraud, and I suspect that no one is--no matter how much they love immigrants. I could tell you (from the "inside") a few reforms to get cheaters (illegal immigrants or anyone that wants to flout the law do have an edge) out of "the system". These reforms don't "get illegals" or anything, but they crack down on fraud or close loopholes for aliens. Unfortunately, "I" have been banned and surely could offer nothing within the TOS. Sorry.
I was born in the early 50s, so I had been in CA much longer than you. I saw it change from a great state to a socialistic empire and I laugh at how it is going down the tubes now. They deserve it because they brought it on themselves.
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I was born in the early 50s, so I had been in CA much longer than you. I saw it change from a great state to a socialistic empire and I laugh at how it is going down the tubes now. They deserve it because they brought it on themselves.
I wince at how Calif has gone to hell (I lived there from 1978-89): that stated; despite its allegedly lower wages, I live much better here in Arizona.

Now for Calif style idiocy: there is always Tucson-----------Phx is much better
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The animals that cheat our welfare system. They most likely do it in Maryland as well as California.

I was only saying that *YOU* can't tell me what goes on where *I* live. Well, can you? How's the guy next door to me cheating taxpayers? I can tell you--I told Social Security, but they don't care what drug-addicted lowlife pressures their way into his home. They don't care that a Marylander is ignorant or silent about his fraud. They don't even care what I have to say, and I live next-door to him.

But none of this has to do with immigration, so--
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Are you suggesting that being "surrounded by welfare fraud and lowlifes" (and that is apt, since the retar--developmentally disabled live on all sides with an open door to drug-addicted lowlifes) is my "lifestyle"?

It's not.
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Well, APJ, I left "LA" back when there were too many "LA people" coming in. We used to beat 'em up or trash their cars, just for being from "the Valley". Don't ask, it's just how it was in the '70s--SSL, HPL, OSL, and so on--but I was just a kid.

People that live in garages are not getting Section 8 or any federal housing assistance because that doesn't meet HUD's Housing Quality Standards. What might "surprise" this user is likely a long way from what might surprise those that have never dealt with "the system".

I am not in favor of welfare or housing fraud, and I suspect that no one is--no matter how much they love immigrants. I could tell you (from the "inside") a few reforms to get cheaters (illegal immigrants or anyone that wants to flout the law do have an edge) out of "the system". These reforms don't "get illegals" or anything, but they crack down on fraud or close loopholes for aliens. Unfortunately, "I" have been banned and surely could offer nothing within the TOS. Sorry.
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Ok, Benicar. It's not my lifestyle. I am not a welfare cheat. My "environment" does include many retarded adults on welfare that cannot say no to the drug addicts that leech off of them. (Talk about your attractive nuisance.)

I am not retarded nor drug addicted, but it is part of my environment. None of these lowlifes appear to be immigrants or illegals. I can only report what I see (Section 8 abuse) here in the trenches and wonder how the blame has been displaced onto illegals. My "beef" is with the cheats that are destroying the quality of my life, and they are not apparently illegal. I'll certainly acknowledge that illegals don't make it better, but they don't seem to be a factor here. If they are known to be undocumented they are not assisted.
Please correct me if Iím mistaken, but my discussion was with fcooper, not YOU facooper. If you are ďbannedĒ how are you still posting here? More importantly, how are you both fcooper AND facooper?
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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Huh? Of course many minimum wage/welfare lowlifes have "other money" coming in. Their abuse of our welfare system was my point. I'm a disabled person (U.S. native and USAF combat veteran, as I apparently must disclaim) that actually lives with the cheating, lying lowlifes.

I just don't see immigrants as a substantial part of the abuse. Please don't tell me that I should, unless you care to join me. I am in Section 8 housing in California. I don't conceal the income that comes into my house (SSA only, btw) or garage (garage?) I don't support anyone cheating to get what little there is in our welfare programs. Got it?
I am trying to unravel all of this........

Clearly you are more familiar with the regulations of Section 8 housing than I am so I defer to your knowledge of the subject. The Section 8 program may indeed limit benefits to the one actual 'citizen' in the family but other programs do not. This is how Obama's aunt ended up in public housing in MA for 8 years or however long it was. Whether the program is at the federal, state or local level, all are funded by dollars collected from the US taxpayer. IMO, no person or family who is in the country illegally should occupy housing that is wholly or partially paid for with taxpayer dollars. The fact that there are long lists of Americans waiting for a space in these programs makes it even more troubling.

I agree with you that cheating in order to gain access to the limited amount of support that is available should not be tolerated. Most of your experience seems to be with our own citizens who abuse the system by things like using money intended to provide them with food to buy drugs. This is wrong. That money should be going to someone who is going to buy groceries. Every country has their share of citizens who often end up being a burden on everyone else due to poor lifestyle choices and dysfunctional behavior. Unfortunately for us, we are stuck with them.
Adding illegals to this mix of homegrown problems who are already scamming the system only stresses it further. I think you may not be familiar with the true costs of illegal aliens. Many people are not. Let's start with medical care. I take it you live in CA? CA is one of the states that has been hardest hit by illegals use of our healthcare system. Illegals are well aware that if they show up in an ER, they must be seen. It does not matter if they have no health insurance, it does not matter that they are in the US illegally. Colds, cuts, bruises, hangnails, whatever must be evaluated and if necessary treated. This all costs money and illegals have no intention of paying the bill. It is like a taxi- once you set foot inside the cab, the meter starts running. In the case of the illegals though, at the end of the ride they are not the ones who pay the fare, it is Uncle Sam. Let's say Mr. X shows up with a bruised arm. Somebody has to take down his name and information, take his BP, pulse and temp, somebody else may then ask him what happened, evaluate the arm and prescribe tylenol and an ice pack. If Mr. Y, also and illegal alien, comes in with a heart attack, then he has to be admitted to the hospital. He may be admitted to the hospital he showed up at or transferred to another hospital. The point is that he will be treated. Another illegal alien, Senora Z comes to the ER in labor- she is either admitted to Labor and Delivery or if this hospital does not offer OB services then she is transferred to one that does. Look, these people are not going to pay their bills. If they have no insurance, they simply walk away. They either have no SS# or are using a stolen/forged SS#. The hospital cannot go after them for nonpayment of bills like they can go after you or I. If they did catch up with them, I suspect they would simply purchase a new identity and move on. Multiply this millions of time and you have a real problem.
Now you are right, technically illegal aliens are not eligible for Medicare/Medicaid- but money from these programs is used to cover some of their bills. If the government did not divert these funds to cash strapped hospitals with serious budget shortfalls, I suspect a number of them would simply go under (some already have). If you want, I can provide more links to additional info.

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From 2001 to 2004, spending for emergency Medicaid for illegal immigrants rose by 28% in North Carolina, said a March 2007 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Researchers cited increases in childbirth and prenatal care, as well as injuries and chronic disease complications.
At the state and local level, illegal immigrants already cost more in public services such as education and health care than they pay in taxes, the Congressional Budget Office reported recently. Illegal immigrants make up less than 5% of the cost in most states, but closer to 10% in some California counties. In 2000, counties along the Mexican border lost more than $800 million in health care services for which they were not paid; about 25% of that went to care for illegal immigrants, according to a report by the United States/Mexico Border Counties Coalition.
Some states, including New York, Illinois and Washington, as well as several California counties, cover illegal immigrant children with state tax dollars. "Kids are the more sympathetic group, and they're less costly," says Sonal Ambegaokar of the National Immigration Law Center, an advocacy group for low-income immigrants.
Since 2003, California's San Mateo County has used local tax dollars as well as money from hospitals and non-profit groups to provide health insurance to all low-income children, regardless of immigration status. "These children are in our schools. They're part of our community," says Beverly Thames, spokeswoman for the county health department. "It's just important that they have access to health care."
San Francisco goes further, adding adults at local expense. Some cities, including New York, encourage illegal immigrants to use public services such as health clinics without risking deportation.
Direct federal aid has been minimal, but in 2003, Congress appropriated $1 billion over four years for hospitals and other health care providers that serve illegal immigrants. More than 15,000 providers have registered for payments, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
Rising health care costs put focus on illegal immigrants - USATODAY.com
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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Garage? Because illegals live people's garages in CA, especially in the LA area. BTW, illegals and immigrants are a very big part of the welfare cheaters out there. Yes, there are Americans that cheat the system but you would be surprised at how many illegals scam the system.
Wrong again, this myth has been debunked already, you need residency documents to participate in welfare.
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