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Old 01-07-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Sugar Land, TX, USA
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You will qualify for medicaid and SS benefits...Find another doctor. Or a Lawyer that may do charitable work. Do you belong to a church? In many churches there are professional that will help you.
Again this is one reason hospital in poor location in houston close down and move to the rich Suburbs...the cant work for free. Just take a look at the crash in the socialist systems in Europe. the seeds are being sowed for extremism there. That is why most countries in the world stopped auto-magic citizenship. Even our friends to the north, Canada, have stopped!!! time to get rid of the 14th or rewrite in in clear English with NO Gray areas

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They did not feel that I did
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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The problem for Pikantari is exactly what we found when I did the research for the committee. If she can wait 5-7 years, she MIGHT get some help, but what shape will she be in then? That will be after muliple standard procedual disqualifications, and her getting a specialized lawyer to handle her appeals. Each one will take her 1-2 years. I don't mean to sound negitive, but there are in place set practices by these decision making boards to reject the first 2-3 times before then saying, oh, yeah, you qualify. The systenm is shattered, not just broken. But if she had went in for help as an illegal, she would have been given the care she needed free of charge to her unless they found out she was actuly a Citizen which then they would arrest her for fraud. Catch 22 has nothing on the illegals gets the benefits vs governments automatic Citizens get rejection of benefits !!!
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:20 AM
 
Location: NoVa
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The problem for Pikantari is exactly what we found when I did the research for the committee. If she can wait 5-7 years, she MIGHT get some help, but what shape will she be in then? That will be after muliple standard procedual disqualifications, and her getting a specialized lawyer to handle her appeals. Each one will take her 1-2 years. I don't mean to sound negitive, but there are in place set practices by these decision making boards to reject the first 2-3 times before then saying, oh, yeah, you qualify. The systenm is shattered, not just broken. But if she had went in for help as an illegal, she would have been given the care she needed free of charge to her unless they found out she was actuly a Citizen which then they would arrest her for fraud. Catch 22 has nothing on the illegals gets the benefits vs governments automatic Citizens get rejection of benefits !!!
Exactly. And I do not expect anyone to work for free...

I used to work in a drs office and one of the drs downgraded his price for the self pay, the others did not.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The problem for Pikantari is exactly what we found when I did the research for the committee. If she can wait 5-7 years, she MIGHT get some help, but what shape will she be in then? That will be after muliple standard procedual disqualifications, and her getting a specialized lawyer to handle her appeals. Each one will take her 1-2 years. I don't mean to sound negitive, but there are in place set practices by these decision making boards to reject the first 2-3 times before then saying, oh, yeah, you qualify. The systenm is shattered, not just broken. But if she had went in for help as an illegal, she would have been given the care she needed free of charge to her unless they found out she was actuly a Citizen which then they would arrest her for fraud. Catch 22 has nothing on the illegals gets the benefits vs governments automatic Citizens get rejection of benefits !!!
Not arguing with you here: that (legally/culturally sanctioned) BS about coddling illegal alien criminals vs. helping Americans/green card holders is truly insane.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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My wife is a physician and she tells me that the hospitals are filled with illegals. They don't have any papers. The ER's are now used by them for anything and everything. Have you been to a Neonatal unit anywhere in a border state? 50% of the people are "undocumented". Everything is free. We have a case of an illegal teen mother that had a child with no chance to live but she refuses to turn off live support....it is costing the Tax payers millions to keep this baby alive....even though there is no brain function and several doctors have reviewed the case and said there is no hope. I can give you literally dozens of doctors that can back this up.
U don't have to be a Doctor or Physician to see this happening. Anyone can take a walk into an ER and see it first hand. I've had to take my kids in 3 times in about 5 years and it's pretty easy to see the issue.

1. Receptionists at desk asks to help you in English, the person responds they don't speak it.
2. The clerk asks what's wrong in Spanish (there are so many the clerk has to be bilingual).
3. The person responds in Spanish.
4. Clerk asks for insurance.
5. Person responds they don't have it.
6. Clerk fills out papers and shuffles the person into the room to be seen.

I don't know about you but if I was a gambling person I'd say I just witnessed an Illegal Immigrant entering our ER paid for by me. ..... and I get to wait behind them.

For me
7. Your copay will be 20 dollars.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:39 AM
 
Location: So. California
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All of us that are fed up with the way the system gives illegals a helping hand to the money that we taxpayers are funding better respond when the so-called amnesty comes up again. And it will. I don't care which party wants to massage the votes of the illegal population it needs to be stopped. This economy cannot support any more illegals. Give them a free ride back home over the border.
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Doonan, QLD
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Default Illegal Immigrant Impact on the Medical System-Society

As an emergency physician who practiced in California, Texas and Florida who left the U.S. in 2008, I believe I will agree with what was said by the earlier postee who "claimed" his wife as an emergency physician. Everything stated was consistent with my experience. From 1998 until early 2008 when we permanently moved from the U.S., I provided care to people illegally in the U.S. which would have cost the hospital several million dollars in real costs, yearly. In my last position in Florida, the hospital had 92 million dollars in unfunded care in 2007; a substantial amount of this from folks not there legally.

In most of the ED's I worked, 15-30% of patients were solely Spanish speaking, had no anticipation of merging in with society (unlike immigrants in previous generations to the U.S.). Emergency departments are required to fully treat and stabilize any patient who presents, regardless of ability to pay or provide any type of ID. This care, although billed, is essentially never paid, unless the person is eligible or already signed up for medicaid (which incidentally, people living in the U.S. illegally seem to be able to get this, interestingly).

User comments that there is a major access block to these immigrants in receiving routine medical care is quite correct; a lot of medical care waits until it is an emergency; or routine care occurs out of the ED so long as the person being treated is willing to wait to see a doctor.

What this means to you, the legal U.S. resident, is that the health system has a federal mandate to treat all of these patients, typically at a cost borne by the healthcare system and clogging/bankrupting a system that could otherwise provide excellent care without these burdens. There is a federal mandate that the hospital must provide certified medical translators, with the cost borne by the hospital.

On an individual basis as I treated illegal immigrants, I held no malice to them individually, they were and are just seeking a better life for themselves and their children. However, this is at a real cost to the U.S. society, and in my estimation, not maintaining one's borders and one's immigration laws is going to be yet another factor in the demise of the U.S. economy.

We left the U.S. permanently, with the affects of illegal immigration being a major part of our decision. How well does a public education system serve us, with substantial burdens on ESL costing the system? How well does the health care system work when overwhelmed by unfunded care (some of which is people here legally, which the system could absorb, but the amount that is illegally here overwhelms the system)? How well does our legal system work with the additional burden of folks imprisoned who should have never been in the country?

All of these factors add up to a lot of money. The expediency to allow cheap labor into the U.S. has been at the complete neglect of really thinking about the societal changes and expenses that have and will result. Proponents who argue that the costs are trivial either have a hidden agenda or are not thinking clearly. I have no hidden agenda, I treated these folks, liked many of them individually, but see the harm done.

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Old 01-08-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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As an emergency physician who practiced in California, Texas and Florida who left the U.S. in 2008, I believe I will agree with what was said by the earlier postee who "claimed" his wife as an emergency physician. Everything stated was consistent with my experience. From 1998 until early 2008 when we permanently moved from the U.S., I provided care to people illegally in the U.S. which would have cost the hospital several million dollars in real costs, yearly. In my last position in Florida, the hospital had 92 million dollars in unfunded care in 2007; a substantial amount of this from folks not there legally.

In most of the ED's I worked, 15-30% of patients were solely Spanish speaking, had no anticipation of merging in with society (unlike immigrants in previous generations to the U.S.). Emergency departments are required to fully treat and stabilize any patient who presents, regardless of ability to pay or provide any type of ID. This care, although billed, is essentially never paid, unless the person is eligible or already signed up for medicaid (which incidentally, people living in the U.S. illegally seem to be able to get this, interestingly).

User comments that there is a major access block to these immigrants in receiving routine medical care is quite correct; a lot of medical care waits until it is an emergency; or routine care occurs out of the ED so long as the person being treated is willing to wait to see a doctor.

What this means to you, the legal U.S. resident, is that the health system has a federal mandate to treat all of these patients, typically at a cost borne by the healthcare system and clogging/bankrupting a system that could otherwise provide excellent care without these burdens. There is a federal mandate that the hospital must provide certified medical translators, with the cost borne by the hospital.

On an individual basis as I treated illegal immigrants, I held no malice to them individually, they were and are just seeking a better life for themselves and their children. However, this is at a real cost to the U.S. society, and in my estimation, not maintaining one's borders and one's immigration laws is going to be yet another factor in the demise of the U.S. economy.

We left the U.S. permanently, with the affects of legal immigration being a major part of our decision. How well does a public education system serve us, with substantial burdens on ESL costing the system? How well does the health care system work when overwhelmed by unfunded care (some of which is people here legally, which the system could absorb, but the amount that is illegally here overwhelms the system)? How well does our legal system work with the additional burden of folks imprisoned who should have never been in the country?

All of these factors add up to a lot of money. The expediency to allow cheap labor into the U.S. has been at the complete neglect of really thinking about the societal changes and expenses that have and will result. Proponents who argue that the costs are trivial either have a hidden agenda or are not thinking clearly. I have no hidden agenda, I treated these folks, liked many of them individually, but see the harm done.
Barring out-and-out starvation (Mexico does not qualify); I have no sympathy for illegal aliens who are here for economic reasons---------political refugees are a different situation altogether.

Otherwise; your post is spot-on.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:03 PM
 
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As an emergency physician who practiced in California, Texas and Florida who left the U.S. in 2008, I believe I will agree with what was said by the earlier postee who "claimed" his wife as an emergency physician. Everything stated was consistent with my experience. From 1998 until early 2008 when we permanently moved from the U.S., I provided care to people illegally in the U.S. which would have cost the hospital several million dollars in real costs, yearly. In my last position in Florida, the hospital had 92 million dollars in unfunded care in 2007; a substantial amount of this from folks not there legally.

In most of the ED's I worked, 15-30% of patients were solely Spanish speaking, had no anticipation of merging in with society (unlike immigrants in previous generations to the U.S.). Emergency departments are required to fully treat and stabilize any patient who presents, regardless of ability to pay or provide any type of ID. This care, although billed, is essentially never paid, unless the person is eligible or already signed up for medicaid (which incidentally, people living in the U.S. illegally seem to be able to get this, interestingly).

User comments that there is a major access block to these immigrants in receiving routine medical care is quite correct; a lot of medical care waits until it is an emergency; or routine care occurs out of the ED so long as the person being treated is willing to wait to see a doctor.

What this means to you, the legal U.S. resident, is that the health system has a federal mandate to treat all of these patients, typically at a cost borne by the healthcare system and clogging/bankrupting a system that could otherwise provide excellent care without these burdens. There is a federal mandate that the hospital must provide certified medical translators, with the cost borne by the hospital.

On an individual basis as I treated illegal immigrants, I held no malice to them individually, they were and are just seeking a better life for themselves and their children. However, this is at a real cost to the U.S. society, and in my estimation, not maintaining one's borders and one's immigration laws is going to be yet another factor in the demise of the U.S. economy.

We left the U.S. permanently, with the affects of illegal immigration being a major part of our decision. How well does a public education system serve us, with substantial burdens on ESL costing the system? How well does the health care system work when overwhelmed by unfunded care (some of which is people here legally, which the system could absorb, but the amount that is illegally here overwhelms the system)? How well does our legal system work with the additional burden of folks imprisoned who should have never been in the country?

All of these factors add up to a lot of money. The expediency to allow cheap labor into the U.S. has been at the complete neglect of really thinking about the societal changes and expenses that have and will result. Proponents who argue that the costs are trivial either have a hidden agenda or are not thinking clearly. I have no hidden agenda, I treated these folks, liked many of them individually, but see the harm done.
So, you claim to have been an ER MD, in Fl/TX/CA, and now left the country, uhmmmm..... sounds fishy,, truly md??.
I would still like to see the evidence of the illegal mother holding up an
entire institution
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So, you claim to have been an ER MD, in Fl/TX/CA, and now left the country, uhmmmm..... sounds fishy,, truly md??.
I would still like to see the evidence of the illegal mother holding up an
entire institution
There is no law that says you cannot go sit in an ER room and observe. Of course the truth will sting.


I'm going to guess the easy route will elude you. You'd have to be blind not to see it.
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