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Old 03-06-2007, 03:43 PM
 
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Certainly there are many poor people in Mexico, since perhaps half the country lives in poverty. However, the nation as a whole is quite rich — see the documented facts listed below — and could well finance the sort of improvements in education and infrastructure that would better the living standards of all Mexicans.
major points:

1. Carlos Slim is #3 on the Forbes list of billionaires.

2. Every dollar of US taxpayer's money that is spent providing sevices for illegals frees up a dollar of their money that can be sent to Mexico. Remittances were estimated at $20 billion in 2005 and this year may exceed the amount Mexico earns from oil exports for the first time.
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So when el Presidente Vicente Fox complains that the "dignity" of Mexicans living illegally in America requires that they receive free healthcare on the U.S. taxpayer's dime, he is really talking about increased remittances to keep their whole corrupt system afloat.
3. Mexico has the second-highest highest GDP in Latin America, second only to Brazil.

4.Forbes magazine reports 10 out of 26 Latin American billionaires were Mexican.

5. Mexico raises only 12% of it's revenus through taxation. (the US takes in 25-28% of GDP profit in taxes.)

6. An economist stated that it is up to Mexico to solve it's problems and that bascially the rich do not want to tax themselves.

7. Mexico's economy is the 10th largest in the world.

8. Freedom House notes $2.3 billion, approximately 1 percent-of the country's economic production, goes to officials in bribes. The poorest families paying nearly 14 percent of their income in bribes.

9. The International Institute for Management Development placed Mexico at 56 out of 60 economies ranked. There is an almost total lack of investment in everything from infrastructure to education. Mexico collects so little in taxes that it cannot even buy schoolbooks or pay its police decent salaries. Investing in it's future is out of the question.

Here is the link:
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-te...icoisrich.html
(If this gets zapped the article is worth reading, it's not real long)
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Old 03-06-2007, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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Originally Posted by andreabeth View Post
major points:

1. Carlos Slim is #3 on the Forbes list of billionaires.

2. Every dollar of US taxpayer's money that is spent providing sevices for illegals frees up a dollar of their money that can be sent to Mexico. Remittances were estimated at $20 billion in 2005 and this year may exceed the amount Mexico earns from oil exports for the first time.


3. Mexico has the second-highest highest GDP in Latin America, second only to Brazil.

4.Forbes magazine reports 10 out of 26 Latin American billionaires were Mexican.

5. Mexico raises only 12% of it's revenus through taxation. (the US takes in 25-28% of GDP profit in taxes.)

6. An economist stated that it is up to Mexico to solve it's problems and that bascially the rich do not want to tax themselves.

7. Mexico's economy is the 10th largest in the world.

8. Freedom House notes $2.3 billion, approximately 1 percent-of the country's economic production, goes to officials in bribes. The poorest families paying nearly 14 percent of their income in bribes.

9. The International Institute for Management Development placed Mexico at 56 out of 60 economies ranked. There is an almost total lack of investment in everything from infrastructure to education. Mexico collects so little in taxes that it cannot even buy schoolbooks or pay its police decent salaries. Investing in it's future is out of the question.

Here is the link:
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-te...icoisrich.html
(If this gets zapped the article is worth reading, it's not real long)
Let's get a few facts straight here. Mexico is ranked 13th in Nominal GDP by both the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. According to PPP GDP (purchasing power parity), Mexico is ranked 13th by the International Monetary Fund and the CIA World Factbook, and is ranked 14th by World Bank. If categorizing by per capita PPP, Mexico is ranked 65th, and is lower than other Latin American countries, Argentina (50th), Chile (57th), and Costa Rica (64th). And according to Forbes 2006 list, there are 11 Mexican billionaires of the total 34 Latin American billionaires.

I'm not discounting your other points, like Mexico's inability to collect and dsitribute tax funds, but it doesn't strengthen your points by including inaccurate statistics.
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:00 PM
 
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Let's get a few facts straight here. Mexico is ranked 13th in Nominal GDP by both the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. According to PPP GDP (purchasing power parity), Mexico is ranked 13th by the International Monetary Fund and the CIA World Factbook, and is ranked 14th by World Bank. If categorizing by per capita PPP, Mexico is ranked 65th, and is lower than other Latin American countries, Argentina (50th), Chile (57th), and Costa Rica (64th). And according to Forbes 2006 list, there are 11 Mexican billionaires of the total 34 Latin American billionaires.

I'm not discounting your other points, like Mexico's inability to collect and dsitribute tax funds, but it doesn't strengthen your points by including inaccurate statistics.
Fair enough. Let's get a few more fact straight. Here we have a country that habitually encourages millions of it's uneducated, unskilled citizens to head for El Norte. Once here they receive very expensive benefits, such as education and free health care in return for performing low paying, low skill jobs. This is a win-win situation for our illustrious neighbor to the South. We provide food, housing, medical care, education, interpreters, etc. for millions of their illegal aliens while said illegals send their money back to Mexico. What a deal!
Why not simply allow all 100 million (or whatever the number is) Mexicans living in poverty into the US, right Amavel? Why not?
Has it ever occurred to you that at the heart of the problem lies Mexico's corrupt, dissolute government? And that the only people who can do anything to change that are the Mexicans themselves? And that allowing them to flood over our border ( taking the path of least resistance rather than demanding change in their home country) is never going to solve the problem but merely perpetuate it?
You want to play the role of enabler? Go ahead. I don't.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:57 AM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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This must be referring to the wealthy illegal immigrants, the ones who wear golden pants.
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:30 PM
 
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Since Mexico encourages millions of it's impoverished citizens to illegally enter the US, even printing a comic-book style 'Guide For The Migrant', let's take a look at Mexico's own immigration policies.

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Mexico’s Glass House

How the Mexican constitution treats foreign residents, workers and naturalized citizens

Every country has the right to restrict the quality and quantity of foreign immigrants entering or living within its borders. If American policymakers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy
guide: the Mexican constitution.
While encouraging millions of it's poorest citizens to illegally enter the US, demanding that we liberalize our immigration laws and pulling stunts like threatening to report us to the UN for daring to build a fence on American soil, Mexico's own laws concerning immigration are fairly draconian. The hypocrisy of wagging their finger at us while having the most restrictive Immigration policies in the hemisphere themselves shows the true character of the Mexican government.
Here are examples:

1. Non-citizens are not permitted to participate in Mexico's political affairs. They may not participate in demonstrations or express political opinions in public. (Articles 9 and 33) Remember the illegal's 'marches' last spring, replete with anti-American slogans and desecration of the US flag? And their seemingly endless demands? "We demand the right to vote. We demand this, we demand that," etc., etc. How well do you think it would go over in Mexico City if a similar number of US citizens illegally in Mexico staged something like that? The mere act of being in Mexico illegally is a felony punishable by up to 2 years in prison or deportation (most are deported).

2.Non-citizens do not have basic property rights in Mexico. While in the US, the ethnic advocacy crowd promotes the concept of home ownership by illegals, in the Mexican Constitution Article 27 states, "Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to aquire ownership of lands..."

3. The Mexican Constitution guarantees that even naturalized immigrants remain second class citizens. If you wish to do any of the following you MUST be a Mexican by birth:

serve in the military (Article 32)
work on a Mexican-flagged ship
serve as crew for a Mexican airline
serve as a port or airport official
serve as a customs agent
serve as a federal lawmaker(Article 56)
serve as a cabinet secretary(Article 91)
serve as a Supreme Court justice(Article 95)
serve as a member of the clergy (Article 130)

Let's try restricting any of these positions to only US born citizens and see what happens.

4. Federal protection against "undesirable aliens resident in the country" is guaranteed by Article 11. One can assume there is a fair bit of leeway in determining what constitutes an undesirable alien.

5. Citizen's arrest. In a case where a criminal is caught while commiting an offense, any person may arrest the criminal and his accomplices and turn them over to the authorities without delay.(Article 16) This appears to grant Mexican citizens the right to arrest an illegal alien and promptly deliver them to law enforcement officials. Great idea! Let's try it here! Can you say 'MALDEF' and 'ACLU'?

6. In Mexico any non-citizen may be expelled for any reason and with no due process.(Article 33) Or presumably expelled for no reason at all. Here we have endless appeals processes for illegal aliens. And the spectre of Elvira Arellano defying deportation orders while holed up in a 'church' in Chicago.

The paper's author, Dr. J. Michael Waller states
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A study of the immigration and citizenship portions of the Mexican constitution leads to a search for new policy options to find a fair and equitable solution to the immigration problem in the United States.

Two contrary options would require reciprocity, while doing the utmost to harmonize U.S.- Mexican relations:

1. Mexico should amend its constitution to guarantee immigrants to Mexico the same rights it demands the United States give to immigrants from Mexico; or

2. The United States should impose the same restrictions on Mexican immigrants that Mexico imposes on American immigrants.
It sounds good to me.

http://www.c4ads.org/files/waller_csp_apr2006_mexico.pdf?PHPSESSID=391c7f8937 58608430a0576ea52095db (broken link)
(English translation of Mexico's constitution)
http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist263/docs/1917const.html (broken link)
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Old 03-16-2007, 02:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by andreabeth View Post
major points:

1. Carlos Slim is #3 on the Forbes list of billionaires.

2. Every dollar of US taxpayer's money that is spent providing sevices for illegals frees up a dollar of their money that can be sent to Mexico. Remittances were estimated at $20 billion in 2005 and this year may exceed the amount Mexico earns from oil exports for the first time.


3. Mexico has the second-highest highest GDP in Latin America, second only to Brazil.

4.Forbes magazine reports 10 out of 26 Latin American billionaires were Mexican.

5. Mexico raises only 12% of it's revenus through taxation. (the US takes in 25-28% of GDP profit in taxes.)

6. An economist stated that it is up to Mexico to solve it's problems and that bascially the rich do not want to tax themselves.

7. Mexico's economy is the 10th largest in the world.

8. Freedom House notes $2.3 billion, approximately 1 percent-of the country's economic production, goes to officials in bribes. The poorest families paying nearly 14 percent of their income in bribes.

9. The International Institute for Management Development placed Mexico at 56 out of 60 economies ranked. There is an almost total lack of investment in everything from infrastructure to education. Mexico collects so little in taxes that it cannot even buy schoolbooks or pay its police decent salaries. Investing in it's future is out of the question.

Here is the link:
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-te...icoisrich.html
(If this gets zapped the article is worth reading, it's not real long)
If that isn't the truth! America is a sucker and it's time it stopped.
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