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Old 01-08-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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EL PASO - Former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey contends that millions of people from Mexico may overrun the border attempting to cross if security conditions worsen and lead to a governmental collapse in that country. "A failure by the Mexican political system to curtail lawlessness and violence could result (in) a surge of millions of refugees crossing the U.S. border to escape the domestic misery of violence, failed economic policy, poverty, hunger, joblessness, and the mindless cruelty and injustice of a criminal state," said McCaffrey in an after-action report based on the Dec. 5-7 International Forum of Intelligence & Security Specialists in Mexico. The report portrays a scenario eerily reminiscent of ex-Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger's 1998 fictional book "The Next War," which includes a chapter on a U.S. military intervention in Mexico following a regime collapse due to warring drug cartels.


Ex-U.S. drug czar: Millions of Mexicans could cross into U.S. illegally if conditions worsen in Mexico - El Paso Times

It's time to bring our troops in Germany, Japan and other countries at peace home to guard our borders.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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It's time to bring our troops in Germany, Japan and other countries at peace home to guard our borders.
How true! We already have 20+ million illegal aliens draining this country dry, including 10-20% of Mexico's population. We certainly don't need millions more; in particular, during this economic implosion. The troops have more urgent needs at home.

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The forces of the United States military are located in nearly 130 countries around the world performing a variety of duties from combat operations, to peacekeeping, to training with foreign militaries. Some of these deployments have existed for nearly 50 years, as in Japan, Germany, and South Korea, while other deployments have more recent origins such as the current occupation of Iraq
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Where are the Legions? Global Deployments of US Forces
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:04 PM
 
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How true! We already have 20+ million illegal aliens draining this country dry, including 10-20% of Mexico's population. We certainly don't need millions more; in particular, during this economic implosion. The troops have more urgent needs at home.

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Where are the Legions? Global Deployments of US Forces
I couldn't agree more. We need our troops to guard our own country. We have spent multiple billions of tax dollars and uprooted the lives of thousands of our men and women for decades, ensuring the sovereignty and peace in foreign nations. It's time to bring them home, seal our borders, get rid of those here illegally and take care of our own.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:26 PM
 
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Most of those 130 deployments consist of fewer then 100 troops; mostly US Army Special Forces teams that are INVITED by the host nation's government to train their military. Only in a few places ex. Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, South Korea, etc is their a significant deployment.

Believe it or not, alot of foreign nations also have troops here in the US. Several European air forces for example use the USAF's training grounds for live fire training since they can't train in their own countries due to extensive urbanization.

Many nation's also assist us in drug interdiction in the Caribbean, for example in Puerto Rico I have seen British Royal Navy/ Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, British HM Customs, French Navy, and Royal Netherlands Navy personnel, vessels and aircraft all helping us stop drug smuggling and illegal immigration.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:10 PM
 
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I couldn't agree more. We need our troops to guard our own country. We have spent multiple billions of tax dollars and uprooted the lives of thousands of our men and women for decades, ensuring the sovereignty and peace in foreign nations. It's time to bring them home, seal our borders, get rid of those here illegally and take care of our own.
As I had posted before....

Legalization makes perfect sense. We are a nation of drug users who indirectly support illegal entry of not only drugs into this country but also the "illegals" (as many who post on here claim) who traffic it into the country. Especially pot... from SOB. DEA Briefs & Background, Drugs and Drug Abuse, Drug Descriptions, Marijuana (http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/marijuana.html - broken link). Yes you pot smokers that post on here support the marijuana trade from Mexico as they are the number one supplier. At least according to the US government.

Slightly dated stats below but you get the point. I admit I had used pot when I was a teen. Many on here would be liars if they claim they didn't use it at least once in their lives. More liars are those who claim they never knew anyone who used pot or other illegal drugs. I made the decision long ago that illegal drugs were not for me. My choice, my life.

Legalizing drugs and having the US forming a Cartel setting the black market value of illegal drugs so low that those in the drug trade today eventually find it unprofitable. Economics at its finest! Employ those who are displaced (allegedly) by illegal immigrants to run these legalized outlets and we are back to near zero unemployment.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Drugs and Crime Facts: Drug use in the general population (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/du.htm - broken link)

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According to data from the 2006 National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) --
  • 112 million Americans age 12 or older (45% of the population) reported illicit drug use at least once in their lifetime
  • 15% reported use of a drug within the past year
  • 8% reported use of a drug within the past month.
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A study focusing on findings from the 2002 through 2004 National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) reported that --
  • 9.4 million (8.2%) of full-time workers were illicit drug users
  • 57.5% of illicit drug users, aged 18 to 64, were employed full-time
  • Nearly one out of five (19%) workers aged 18 to 25 used illicit drugs during the past month. This was a higher percentage than among the 26 to 34 (10.3%), 35 to 49 (7%), and 50 to 64 (2.6%) age groups.
Puff the magic dragon lives in the USA!
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:14 PM
 
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Most of those 130 deployments consist of fewer then 100 troops; mostly US Army Special Forces teams that are INVITED by the host nation's government to train their military. Only in a few places ex. Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, South Korea, etc is their a significant deployment.

Believe it or not, alot of foreign nations also have troops here in the US. Several European air forces for example use the USAF's training grounds for live fire training since they can't train in their own countries due to extensive urbanization.

Many nation's also assist us in drug interdiction in the Caribbean, for example in Puerto Rico I have seen British Royal Navy/ Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, British HM Customs, French Navy, and Royal Netherlands Navy personnel, vessels and aircraft all helping us stop drug smuggling and illegal immigration.
Can you post a link that attests to what you have stated. I have never read any of the above anywhere but would love to educate myself in this regard. Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:15 PM
 
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As I had posted before....

Legalization makes perfect sense. We are a nation of drug users who indirectly support illegal entry of not only drugs into this country but also the "illegals" (as many who post on here claim) who traffic it into the country. Especially pot... from SOB. DEA Briefs & Background, Drugs and Drug Abuse, Drug Descriptions, Marijuana (http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/marijuana.html - broken link). Yes you pot smokers that post on here support the marijuana trade from Mexico as they are the number one supplier. At least according to the US government.

Slightly dated stats below but you get the point. I admit I had used pot when I was a teen. Many on here would be liars if they claim they didn't use it at least once in their lives. More liars are those who claim they never knew anyone who used pot or other illegal drugs. I made the decision long ago that illegal drugs were not for me. My choice, my life.
Yawn . . . . . . . and those who manufacture and smuggle them into the US and would behead their own mother for a few pesos are mexican nationals. So your point is? Oh wait you don't have one.

Behind Mexico's Wave of Beheadings

By Ioan Grillo / Mexico City Monday, Sep. 08, 2008



A stack of corpses, part of 11 decapitated bodies bearing signs of torture, lie in a suburb of Merida in eastern Mexico


There's a peaceful aura about the lifeless faces lined up on the video, death having drained the tension from their cheeks, their eyes wide shut above thick mustaches and square jaws. But as the shot pans out, the horror of their end is revealed: The dead men's heads have been roughly hacked away from their torsos, which the camera finds hanging upside down across the room on meat hooks, their blood draining away onto white floor tiles. "This is your responsibility for not respecting the deals you have made with us," reads a handwritten note in Spanish by the decapitated heads.

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The sickening footage was posted on YouTube after 12 headless bodies were dumped onto two ranches in Mexico's southeastern Yucatan peninsula last week. Police identified the victims as local drug dealers, saying five were decapitated while alive but that the rest had been dismembered after first being strangled or beaten to death. A police sweep netted three suspects allegedly arrested while carrying bloodied axes and machetes. The suspects were alleged to have been members of the ultra-violent drug gang the Zetas, indicating the atrocities may have been the latest act of terror in the relentless turf war over Mexico's billion-dollar smuggling routes. Police also claimed the killings may have had a ritual dimension, after searching the suspects' houses and finding shrines to "The Holy Death," a Grim Reaper figure venerated by many Mexican criminals. (See photos of fighting crime in Mexico City here.
The biggest mass beheading in recent history caused widespread revulsion in Mexico but little surprise. Decapitations have become as commonplace in the increasingly vicious narco turf battles as stabbings are in London. During August alone, gangsters hacked off 30 craniums across the country — adding to the total of almost 200 beheadings in 2008 so far. Heads have been stuck on crosses, shoved into iceboxes and left in car trunks along with snakes.

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...839576,00.html

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Old 01-08-2009, 06:22 PM
 
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Most of those 130 deployments consist of fewer then 100 troops; mostly US Army Special Forces teams that are INVITED by the host nation's government to train their military. Only in a few places ex. Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, South Korea, etc is their a significant deployment.
Believe it or not, alot of foreign nations also have troops here in the US. Several European air forces for example use the USAF's training grounds for live fire training since they can't train in their own countries due to extensive urbanization.

Many nation's also assist us in drug interdiction in the Caribbean, for example in Puerto Rico I have seen British Royal Navy/ Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, British HM Customs, French Navy, and Royal Netherlands Navy personnel, vessels and aircraft all helping us stop drug smuggling and illegal immigration.
Not according to this.

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As of January 2005, there are some 250,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen deployed in support of combat, peacekeeping, and deterrence operations. This figure does not include those forces normally present in Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom or Japan unless bases at those locations are actively supporting a combat operation. Furthermore, tours of duty in these locations are routine and not considered hardship tours. If one were to include these forces the number of deployed troops worldwide would be around 350,000.
Where are the Legions? Global Deployments of US Forces
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:30 PM
 
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That's what I thought Benicar. I found it hard to believe that the poster was not embellishing, more than a tad bit.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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Yawn . . . . . . . and those who manufacture and smuggle them into the US and would behead their own mother for a few pesos are mexican nationals. So your point is? Oh wait you don't have one.

It makes perfect sense. I am sure you didn't even read it. US drug users (most all who are legal citizens) support illegal criminals who behead their own mothers, who also line the pockets of corrupt politicians, buy arms from the US (supplied by US citizens).

Take away their income, satisfy US craving for drugs at lower prices (great for our current economy) you then break the chain of this nasty mess. Oh wait... I just made a point... again.
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