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Old 01-23-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Seems to me that you are the one who is obsessed.

Tell you what. You call us whatever you like. We, and the rest of the world, will continue to call ourselves Americans.
Ain't that the truth?

There is no hyphen before my ethnicity-----------American
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:16 PM
 
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I feel as if I'm not supporting the American Dream, the opportunity for a better life.

Our country was built upon the foundation of opportunity for a new life where you can have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of demonstration. These rights are kept in place by the laws we have drawn out to protect them.


What can we expect to see in the future if our in-place laws are perpetually and repeatedly broken, and people in our nation actually support it? I don't understand at all. How can you break a major law knowingly and still have conscience to scream for handouts and special treatment? As it is, illegal immigrants have complete disregard for US laws, they drive without licenses or insurance, they don't pay taxes, and they undercut wages which directly affects the American citizen's job availability. They're usually poor people who move to our already crowded and quickly expanding ghettos forcing the expansion of the lower class even further, and they somehow collect welfare which is directly funded by the American citizen middle-class to support our less fortunate American Citizen brothers and sisters. They're even allowed to get a bank account and build CREDIT using this money without a SSN. I am literally paying my hard-earned money unwillingly to sustain the influx of unskilled workers who clog the streets I pay to maintain with their barely working vehicles bought from sales lots openly catering to illegal aliens using credit built on the money I paid to the state, no license, and no insurance; meaning if one of these illegals smashes into me because they're too busy wrangling their 5 unruly Citizen children they pumped out for more leverage, and my car gets mashed up and they run so they don't get arrested, I'm left with the bill. I'm becoming smothered and bombarded from every angle by a people who have dragged their old customs, culture, and language from home with them with no desire to integrate into the existing culture at all, instead expecting us to provide them with services suited to their needs.

Their Citizen children that I went to High School with (80% Mexican Heritage Students) are so Pro-Mexico, Anti-American it's sickening. Being a white male with red hair, every day was another day of heckling in a language I don't understand, and conversations held druing my ENGLISH 2 classroom between my Mexican-American teacher and the rest of the Spanish speaking class, while I sat and waited to continue my education, hopefully in the language that I speak and attended school to study. Even the Brazilian foreign exchange students knew better English. Virtually all gangs in my area consist of the mexican population. Every Fourth of July they'd drive their lo-riders with Mexican flags hanging off them blasting their ponch music and speaking in a language that's literally foreign to me, but I'll have to learn soon if I want to function, because now jobs are hiring bilinguals over English-only more and more often to offset the inability to communicate with their illegal or stubborn customers who refuse to learn the existing language.

Everywhere I look everything's either bilingual or in Spanish only. Most of the schools around here removed their options for foreign language classes to push people to learn Spanish. I drive through Burger King and have to place orders through an illegal-parented Citizen that speaks more Spanish than English even after passing high school, thus making communication between us difficult and irritating. While driving to the window to pay for my food, the three advertisements are displayed one English, two Spanish adverts. All state forms come in Spanish and English. I feel like I'm becoming a foreigner in my own country, alienated from a country that my family has been a part of since the Mayflower, that my ancestors have given their blood, sweat, tears, and lives to protect our families, land, and way of life.

Why would I want to support this? Why would I even consider letting this continue even a remote possibility? I don't have anything against Mexican people. I've made more than a few friends of Mexican heritage, granted they've all turned out to be multiple-generation Americans. Please though, if not out of respect for the people that have to accommodate you when you arrive, out of a desire for a welcome hello instead of a general disdain, come legally, work legally, be thankful you have this chance, and please, learn English so the existing residents of this thusfar tolerant and even accommodating country a chance to hold intelligible conversations with you.

I hate feeling this way. I don't like being angry with people, and I don't like feeling pressure of displacement from my home. If your Citizen children cannot even be civil, I have to expect further illegal-borne citizens will not, causing me to view you as unwelcome trespassers, if not invaders. I really feel that voting down proposals to make legal immigration faster, and cheaper, not within the bounds of upholding our founding principles. I MUST vote upholding and strengthening any laws that assist in the illegal crossing of the border to the country I contribute willingly to sustain and vote in to make my voice be heard. It's the only thing I know how to do.
You make an excellent point. I am currently teaching 20 miles from the Mexican border. It is ridiculous that many illegals will refuse to learn the language. Many businesses will cater to the people who refuse to learn the language by hiring people who barely speak English. It is so annoying trying to go to a store and communicate with someone who can barely speak English. I mean if I were to move to let's say Italy, I would be screwed over if I didn't speak Italian. I also have many American friends who can't find jobs in this area because they don't speak Spanish. One of my friends is planning on moving out of this area in order to find a job.

I also absolutely hate shopping here because it is often the illegals who refuse to parent their children and discipline their poor behavior in a grocery store. I almost hit a child with my grocery cart once because his illegal parents refused to stop him from running around and playing in the grocery store.

Living near the border is almost like living in another country. I honestly see more decorations for Spanish holidays than I do for Christmas, Valentine's Day, and the 4th of July. It's like what country is this? Why do all the store's sell stuff for Mexican independence Day, but have very little in stock for Christmas and the 4th of July.
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: California
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Ain't that the truth?

There is no hyphen before my ethnicity-----------American
American is a nationality.
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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American is a nationality.
So is Mexican
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: California
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So is Mexican
An ethnicity is a group of people who identify with each other based on ones cultural ancestry. My ancestry is back in Mexico as you can probably track yours back to Europe. I consider my nationality to be American since I am an American citizen.
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Ethnicity is defined as relating to large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background.

A person may define his ethnicity as American as it can be based on a common national image or background. Some people define their ethnicity by their religious affiliation. Culture is only a part of that definition and is not the only marker for ethnicity.

Nationality is a legal relationship involving allegiance on the part of an individual and usually protection on the part of the state or it may be defined as a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state.
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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I know my history. What is being stated here is revisionist history, and I have no interest in twisted "truths". Unfortunately, this is what is being preached in the socialist government schools today, and will eventually be the ruination of our country. So many liberals/seculars look forward to that day, when the once great USA will be no more than a pushpin on the UN's bulletin board. We can all be global third worlders together, how equal of us!
So horribly true and yeah.....it sucks!
These secular, PC groups NEED to GO......along with ALL the ILLEGALS!

And.....why is it then......there is a very High Voltage, lethal fence all around Area 51 in Nevada, with many signs posted WARNING that for anyone to get any closer or trespass.......WILL result in LETHAL FORCE used on them!????
Why......can't the BORDERS.....clearly state the SAME thing and MEAN IT?!

WHY should I feel like something is wrong with ME......for NOT wanting to LEARN SPANISH here in America?
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?
It's WELL BEYOND irritating at this point!
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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An ethnicity is a group of people who identify with each other based on ones cultural ancestry. My ancestry is back in Mexico as you can probably track yours back to Europe. I consider my nationality to be American since I am an American citizen.
A friend of mine; born and raised in Mexico considers himself to be Hispanic------and, all four of his grandparents came from Eastern Europe/Russia.

The man is 100% White yet is just as 'Mexican' as any other Latino from that country
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Old 01-23-2008, 10:07 PM
 
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A friend of mine; born and raised in Mexico considers himself to be Hispanic------and, all four of his grandparents came from Eastern Europe/Russia.

The man is 100% White yet is just as 'Mexican' as any other Latino from that country
Just ONE MORE example of the never-ending contradictions of our modern "PC" world. The AzBear-ProLogic exchange shows this..

The "fault" is with the term "Mexican"..AS IT'S USED in everyday "American" usage..."Mexican", of COURSE, can mean a legal citizen of that country---if Osama bin Ladin, or Bill Gates, or Hillary Clinton moved to Mexico, and became citizens, they'd legally be "Mexicans".

It ALSO means "someone who traces his roots to the PREDOMINANT, popularly-recognized group of inhabitants of Mexico...i.e., "Regular" Mexicans--in this sense, it's 'assumed' that "normal" Mexicans are Mestizo..that's why we hear about "White Mexicans" or "Black Mexicans"--they're "Mexicans", but not 'regular stereotypical' ones (somewhat racist, of course)

In the US, a "Mexican" can be ANY Mestizo who traces his roots to Mexico, or even FORMER areas of Mexico, such as Colorado, or California, or Texas. To some people, (including THESE PEOPLE THEMSELVES at times), these too, are "Mexicans"...a very imprecise, very inaccurate label---racist maybe--more of a 'social' category than anything else...

It's a very-much misused term, and can be argued about in many ways--just like so MANY terms we all use--like "white people"....or "anglos"---or the NOTORIOUSLY inaccurate, vague "Hispanic"...

EVERYONE is guilty of such 'misuse" of terms. I understand that the Amish people in Pennsylvania have a term they use for ALL Americans outside their own narrow group--- they call ALL non-Amish Americans "The English". Hardly an accurate term, for many obvious reasons...particularly if they encounter someone from England...could get confusing...
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:27 AM
 
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So horribly true and yeah.....it sucks!
These secular, PC groups NEED to GO......along with ALL the ILLEGALS!

And.....why is it then......there is a very High Voltage, lethal fence all around Area 51 in Nevada, with many signs posted WARNING that for anyone to get any closer or trespass.......WILL result in LETHAL FORCE used on them!????
Why......can't the BORDERS.....clearly state the SAME thing and MEAN IT?!

WHY should I feel like something is wrong with ME......for NOT wanting to LEARN SPANISH here in America?
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?
It's WELL BEYOND irritating at this point!
I agree with you and the member you responded to, but secularism has absolutely nothing to do with it. "Secular" simply means a government (or society) not based on religion. Indeed, one of the staunchest supporters of illegal hispanics is the Catholic church. Maybe we need a bit more secularism.
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