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Old 01-25-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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The reality is that reasonable restriction of immigration is good for our country.
Reasonable, yes. I'd say 1.5 million new migrants per year, or 0.5% of total population. Per year. Every year. Happy?


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According to many scientists and environmentalists, we've already surpassed the maximum U.S. population for a sustainable economy which is placed at 200 million people.
That's... laughably unscientific. No one knows what the maximum U.S. population could be even given current agricultural techniques, but it's closer to billions. We're sitting on the most fertile slice of the second most fertile continent on earth, and yet our population density is less than a tenth of India, Korea, or Japan! And, needless to say, agricultural techniques do not stand still. And a rich country like the U.S. should be a net food importer anyway. And we do have India and China to compete with - that is if you're into that whole nationalist myth thing, I am not.



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Although I have tried, I cannot muster any significant compassion for the desperate Mexicans and Central Americans who enter the U.S. illegally for work and/or free social services (medical care, housing, food, education for their children, etc.).
Well then, the social services are the problem, not the people willing to work!

And Mexicans and Central Americans are rather well off compared to most people in Africa and South Asia...


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It comes down to this one very simple point: If one is too poor to house, feed and clothe oneself, then one is too poor to have children. It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure this out.
Yes, and birth rates decline naturally with economic development, and economic development occurs naturally with free trade. Japan's per-capita GDP in 1950 was lower than Mexico's, Taiwan's and South Korea's less than half of Mexico. And look at them now!
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Old 01-25-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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I respectfully disagree that the USA cannot support 300 million folks--------as it stands: we are still a net exporter of food and we also have a lot of fresh water supplies.

That stated: it is past time to close/lock at least our southern border and really cut down on legal immigration as well. I would have no issue with bring back the ca. 1953-65 immigration rules.
I don't understand why people want America to have a huge population. Yes, America can support more people but look at China and India. They have 1+ billions people. I do not want America to be as dense and polluted as India and China. Europe is a little better with regards to pollution but there are still too many people there using too many resources.
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Old 01-25-2009, 09:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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That's... laughably unscientific. No one knows what the maximum U.S. population could be even given current agricultural techniques, but it's closer to billions. We're sitting on the most fertile slice of the second most fertile continent on earth, and yet our population density is less than a tenth of India, Korea, or Japan! And, needless to say, agricultural techniques do not stand still. And a rich country like the U.S. should be a net food importer anyway. And we do have India and China to compete with - that is if you're into that whole nationalist myth thing, I am not.
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You just keep on telling yourself that there is no boogeyman under the bed little ostrich....
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I don't understand why people want America to have a huge population. Yes, America can support more people but look at China and India. They have 1+ billions people. I do not want America to be as dense and polluted as India and China. Europe is a little better with regards to pollution but there are still too many people there using too many resources.
No argument here: just that we already have our ca. 300 million people and we need to deal with it (US citizens/green card holders only-----------the illegals with their Anchors need to leave).

And in all fairness; if the illegals were removed, we as a nation would be at ZPG...........and, possibly declining in numbers. Japan and most of Europe are textbook examples of the latter phenomenon.
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