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Old 01-25-2009, 06:57 AM
 
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The government of Mexico and other countries were delighted to wave goodbye to their citizens who sought to run our nation's border and secure menial employment in the United States. Those foreign workers that are believed to represent some 10 percent of the population of Mexico and other countries such as Guatemala and El Salvador as well as others, are a population that is no longer the responsibility of their countries of origin. Furthermore, these people send every last penny they earned, back home to their native countries, enriching the economies of those countries.

The government of Mexico, in fact, provided its citizens with "training manuals" that were written like comic books to instruct their citizens on the ways in which they could run our borders successfully and evade the United States Border Patrol and survive the extreme conditions to be found in the deserts along the way. In fact, there were health stations established near the border to make certain that their citizens were physically up to the dangerous trek!

More recently, the government of Mexico went "high tech" and distributed videos instead of comic books to provide the necessary training. (I don't know if the current administration of Mexico is continuing this practice, but is was certainly the way that the previous president of Mexico aided, abetted and encouraged his citizens to ignore the border that is supposed to separate our two nations.


Michael Cutler -- Is Mexico on the Precipice of Disintegration?

Long but excellent read.
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Old 01-25-2009, 07:22 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well, something is remaining the same because the back Country I hit often still has the trash piles, empty water jugs and discarded clothing on the trails coming up from the border.
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Old 01-25-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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Well, something is remaining the same because the back Country I hit often still has the trash piles, empty water jugs and discarded clothing on the trails coming up from the border.
California will be the equivalent of Custers' last stand. Villaragoisa and more than a few other reconquista nuts in your state are determined to "reclaim" the land and rename it Mexifornia.
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Old 01-25-2009, 07:53 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Thumbs down Is mexico on the precipice of disintegration?

No...

They passed the precipice last year. They're now on a downhill slide into total chaos and violence. The drug cartels now control most of Mexico's larger cities and there's open warfare in the streets. Mexico's government exists only as a diplomatic face on what used to be a nation.

In recent years, Mexico's drug cartels have waged increasingly violent battles with one another as well as with the Mexican government. Upon taking office in December 2006, Mexican President Felipe Calderon deployed thousands of federal troops in an aggressive crackdown on drug-related violence. Yet death tolls continue to rise. There were more than 2,500 drug-related deaths in 2007, and the yearly toll rose to more than 4,000 by the end of 2008. Murders and street gun battles are only part of a more entrenched problem that includes corrupt police forces and a lackluster judiciary.

Mexico's Drug War - Council on Foreign Relations



It's out of control and has been for over a year now. Rumors persist that the actual death toll is multiples of the "official" figure. Any Americans who travel to Mexico are in grave danger. It's more perilous than a tour of duty in Iraq. You'd have to be insane to even consider it. I think it's almost criminal how the violence in Mexico isn't getting much coverage in the American news. But you see lots of Travelocity ads for "great rates on Mexico vacations."
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Old 01-25-2009, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Suffice to say: I am glad that I live 100 miles away from the Mexican border.

The first major Az city in the crosshairs of any sort of invasion would be Tucson---------which would give Phx more time to mobilize for action.
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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No...

They passed the precipice last year. They're now on a downhill slide into total chaos and violence. The drug cartels now control most of Mexico's larger cities and there's open warfare in the streets. Mexico's government exists only as a diplomatic face on what used to be a nation.

In recent years, Mexico's drug cartels have waged increasingly violent battles with one another as well as with the Mexican government. Upon taking office in December 2006, Mexican President Felipe Calderon deployed thousands of federal troops in an aggressive crackdown on drug-related violence. Yet death tolls continue to rise. There were more than 2,500 drug-related deaths in 2007, and the yearly toll rose to more than 4,000 by the end of 2008. Murders and street gun battles are only part of a more entrenched problem that includes corrupt police forces and a lackluster judiciary.

Mexico's Drug War - Council on Foreign Relations



It's out of control and has been for over a year now. Rumors persist that the actual death toll is multiples of the "official" figure. Any Americans who travel to Mexico are in grave danger. It's more perilous than a tour of duty in Iraq. You'd have to be insane to even consider it. I think it's almost criminal how the violence in Mexico isn't getting much coverage in the American news. But you see lots of Travelocity ads for "great rates on Mexico vacations."
ITA, mexico has indeed descended into total chaos and the drug cartels are running the country. They have expanded the number of cells living within the US as well. It's only a matter of time before the beheadings, and acid dunking of bodies begins within our borders. That is if it hasn't already and is being hidden by the media.

I have also seen those delusional commercials that suggests that this is a great time to vacation in mexico.

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11 slain in Juárez in 20 hours
By Aileen B. Flores / El Paso Times
Posted: 01/25/2009 12:00:00 AM MST

Chihuahua state police reported at least 11 people killed in less than 20 hours between Friday evening and Saturday morning.

Around 7 p.m. Friday, two men in their 20s were found dead in a white 2008 GMC Yukon sport utility vehicle at Antonio J. Bermúdez and Ampere streets.

Also Friday night, Agustín Rentería Hernández, 35, a Juárez municipal police officer, was shot to death and an unidentified person was wounded at the intersection of Juan Kepler and Tecnológico Avenue.

After 3 a.m. Saturday, two waiters and a bouncer were killed while leaving the Satevó Bar at Manuel Gomez Morin and Manuel J. Cloutier streets.

Two of the victims were identified as Félix Andrés Ochoa Delgado,42 and José de la Rosa Chávez, 38.

Just before 4:50 a.m., Mario Alberto Chavira Durán, 37, was killed in his truck after leaving a bar on Manuel J. Clouthier Avenue in Colonia Salvacar.

A few minutes later, three charred bodies with tied hands were found in an SUV at Colonia Horizontes del Sur.


Around 11:25 a.m., a man between in his 30s was found dead among bushes at the intersection of the Jardines de Babilonia and Jardín de los Infantes streets, in the Jardines Residencial subdivision.

Aileen B. Flores may be reached at aflores@elpasotimes.com;546-6362.


http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_11547740
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Cartel 'stewmaker' says he dissolved 300 bodies

Suspect says he worked for powerful Mexican drug trafficker
He says he got $600 a week to deal with those who owed drug lord
Police have not said whether they find man's story credible
Families hope he could have information on their missing loved ones

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (CNN) -- A suspect in police custody calls himself a "stewmaker" for a Mexican drug lord, saying he disposed of about 300 bodies by dissolving them in acid.

Santiago Meza Lopez has asked for forgiveness from the families of those he says he targeted.

Santiago Meza Lopez was arrested Thursday in Ensenada, Baja California, but it took police 24 hours to identify him. He says he works for drug lord Teodoro Garcia Simental, also known as "el Teo," a powerful drug trafficker.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...rss_topstories
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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ITA, they have indeed descended into total chaos and the drug cartels are running the country. They have expanded the number of cells living within the US as well. It's only a matter of time before the beheadings, and acid dunking of bodies begins within our borders. That is if it hasn't already and is being hidden by the media.

I have also seen those delusional commercials that suggests that this is a great time to vacation in mexico.
If true about the beheadings and other crimes being carried out on US soil is just against other illegals/drug dealers; that is one thing.

Now: if that sort of crap starts against Americans (of any race/ethnicity) who are law abiding..................we will fight back.
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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If true about the beheadings and other crimes being carried out on US soil is just against other illegals/drug dealers; that is one thing.

Now: if that sort of crap starts against Americans (of any race/ethnicity) who are law abiding..................we will fight back.
I don't know about you, but the culturally degenerate practice and or tolerance of 18th century beheadings occurring on American soil is where the buck should stop. It's time to seal the borders, deport ALL illegals and let mexico deal with their own problems, people and burdens. They made their bed and it's time for them to lie in it. This country has bent over backwards and done too much, for far too long to assist and appease that dysfunctional cesspool. They have done nothing but demand that WE do more to solve THEIR problems.

If their people are allowed to continue to use us as a stop gap measure they will never go grow up and become a self sufficient country. If we cut them off they will only have two choices, grow up or cease to exist. Either option is fine with me.
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Old 01-25-2009, 09:13 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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No...

They passed the precipice last year. They're now on a downhill slide into total chaos and violence. The drug cartels now control most of Mexico's larger cities and there's open warfare in the streets. Mexico's government exists only as a diplomatic face on what used to be a nation.

In recent years, Mexico's drug cartels have waged increasingly violent battles with one another as well as with the Mexican government. Upon taking office in December 2006, Mexican President Felipe Calderon deployed thousands of federal troops in an aggressive crackdown on drug-related violence. Yet death tolls continue to rise. There were more than 2,500 drug-related deaths in 2007, and the yearly toll rose to more than 4,000 by the end of 2008. Murders and street gun battles are only part of a more entrenched problem that includes corrupt police forces and a lackluster judiciary.

Mexico's Drug War - Council on Foreign Relations



It's out of control and has been for over a year now. Rumors persist that the actual death toll is multiples of the "official" figure. Any Americans who travel to Mexico are in grave danger. It's more perilous than a tour of duty in Iraq. You'd have to be insane to even consider it. I think it's almost criminal how the violence in Mexico isn't getting much coverage in the American news. But you see lots of Travelocity ads for "great rates on Mexico vacations."
Agreed, even the US State Department warns of extreme risk for those who travel to Mexico. I am actually suprised they have not issued a travel ban.

Go on the Mexico section of the forum and people are still in denial blabbing about how Mexico is great and how it's so peaceful. Yeah, maybe in the resorts (where the beaches are patrolled by Mexican Naval Infantry in full combat gear) but I highly doubt Tijuana or Nuevo Laredo is such a hot place to be right now.

The border with Mexico needs to be sealed off NOW!
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Old 01-25-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I don't know about you, but the culturally degenerate practice and or tolerance of 18th century beheadings occurring on American soil is where the buck should stop. It's time to seal the borders, deport ALL illegals and let mexico deal with their own problems, people and burdens. They made their bed and it's time for them to lie in it. This country has bent over backwards and done too much, for far too long to assist and appease that dysfunctional cesspool. They have done nothing but demand that WE do more to solve THEIR problems.

If their people are allowed to continue to use us as a stop gap measure they will never go grow up and become a self sufficient country. If we cut them off they will only have two choices, grow up or cease to exist. Either option is fine with me.
Trust me: I do not wish to see any of that drug lord crap in this country..........just that the rage from other Americans will be off the scale if other Americans get hurt by the former---------and, the repercussions against Mexico will be ghastly.
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