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Old 01-26-2009, 06:30 AM
 
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Ruben Navarette - illegal alien apologist "journalist" extraordinaire with an agenda.

Now there's an opinion I'll be taking to heart.....
So did the border guards break the law or not?
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So did the border guards break the law or not?
That is debatable at best.

Now: blacknight04; do people who are not US citizens/green card holders break the law by crossing our borders?

Face it: those illegal aliens are a much greater problem for us Americans than a couple of BP's whose aim was not true when they fired.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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If their hands weren't so tied fighting the filth at the border they wouldn't have violated anything. They should be able to shoot drug runners on sight.
Oh, I totally agree. But the issue isn't that they shot the smuggler; it's that they covered it up. But again, that didn't warrant 11 years in solitary confinement. At the very most, they should have been fired.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Oh, I totally agree. But the issue isn't that they shot the smuggler; it's that they covered it up. But again, that didn't warrant 11 years in solitary confinement. At the very most, they should have been fired.
Actually, if you read the court transcripts--you'll find that the so-called cover-up did not originate with Ramos and Compean. They told their supervisors what happened. It's what went on from there that generated a cover-up and landed Ramos and Compean as the fall guys.

Everyone seems to think that this case was so cut and dried....well it wasn't. There were a whole lot of lines crossed and it didn't start with the two Border Patrol agents.

That said, the Border Patrol should have the right to shoot drug runners on sight. Period. Perhaps if there were more repercussions than a slap on the wrist for these guys, they'd think twice about what they're doing before they do it.

By the way, what drug runner is NOT armed? You don't entrust a person with 800 pounds of pot and not give them a way to protect themselves. Davila was armed. It's extremely naive that anyone would think otherwise. Of course they didn't find a weapon. They didn't look for one until weeks/months later but that aside, the idiot escaped into Mexico. Do you think he would conveniently leave his gun behind or would he take it with him? I find it abhorent that when a decorated agent with a flawless record states that the subject pointed a gun at him, authorities as well as the jury, would take the word of a low-life, drug running, piece of scum who deserved much worse than he got.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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All the more reason to close/lock our southern border and issue shoot-to-kill orders to any LE agency in the immediate vicinity.
Are you losing grip with reality? Your post are starting to slip in that direction...what you suggest will never happen.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Are you losing grip with reality? Your post are starting to slip in that direction...what you suggest will never happen.
No: the reality is this nation is in some serious trouble------and, one place to regain control is to do as you quoted from my prior post.

God knows that Mexico takes a dim view of illegal aliens in its country.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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No: the reality is this nation is in some serious trouble------and, one place to regain control is to do as you quoted from my prior post.

God knows that Mexico takes a dim view of illegal aliens in its country.
We are not Mexico, Germany, or Israel...We are the United States of American and we don't do what you suggest doing. The average American does not share your views and thankfully our elected officials would never have any of what you suggest. You might get a lot of ra ra's on this board but the average sane person would not agree. The extremist views really hurt the anti-illegal movement because it is the extremists who are made the poster boys by the media...
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Actually, if you read the court transcripts--you'll find that the so-called cover-up did not originate with Ramos and Compean. They told their supervisors what happened. It's what went on from there that generated a cover-up and landed Ramos and Compean as the fall guys.

Everyone seems to think that this case was so cut and dried....well it wasn't. There were a whole lot of lines crossed and it didn't start with the two Border Patrol agents.

That said, the Border Patrol should have the right to shoot drug runners on sight. Period. Perhaps if there were more repercussions than a slap on the wrist for these guys, they'd think twice about what they're doing before they do it.

By the way, what drug runner is NOT armed? You don't entrust a person with 800 pounds of pot and not give them a way to protect themselves. Davila was armed. It's extremely naive that anyone would think otherwise. Of course they didn't find a weapon. They didn't look for one until weeks/months later but that aside, the idiot escaped into Mexico. Do you think he would conveniently leave his gun behind or would he take it with him? I find it abhorent that when a decorated agent with a flawless record states that the subject pointed a gun at him, authorities as well as the jury, would take the word of a low-life, drug running, piece of scum who deserved much worse than he got.
Absolutely! The border agents were victims of a malicious prosecution by the gov without which the agents would never have been convicted by a Texas jury. In order to appease Meheko, the gov coerced the jury, the gov lied to the jury, the gov withheld key evidence from the jury. The border agents need a full pardon.

Any article ever written by anchor Ruben Navarette makes blood shoot out of my eyes.
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