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Old 07-30-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Ugh. I don't know how that's avoid"e"nce. It's just ridiculous and overly dramatic. It's hysteria being injected into a discussion that doesn't need it.

Talking about immigration reform isn't the same as "defending illegals". But obviously the discussion is way over your head. You're just falling in with the "cool kids", the mob if you will. And spewing the same rhetoric.

You guys can keep talking about the illegal boogeyman as if it's one big gang, making the issue less complex, simple and stupid. Keeping trying to make it cowboys vs. indians, good guys vs. bad guys, while the rest of us talk about the actual issues: fixing and improving the system, realistic goals to lower illegal crossings, and keeping anti-Mexican rhetoric out of the discussion.
LOL still avoiding. But I'll bite. Illegals are bad guys. Why? Because 100% of them are criminals.
Amnesty won't fix the problem. Rewarding illegal behavior only invites more. The last amnesty should teach us all that lesson.
The only thing that is over my head in this discussion is why you can't answer a simple question.
How can you defend illegal immigration given the enormous numbers of victims due to illegal alien crimes?
How do you justify amnesty which only rewards illegal behaviors?
Read my posts. I want employers hammered for the laws that they break.
I am not un-sympathetic towards the illegals problems. I just feel that our own people in need are more deserving of our resourses than people who don't respect our laws or our rights as a nation.
What reform do we need? We need to raise our standards for one. We don't need unskilled or uneducated people. We produce enough of those already.
Lastly we don't owe them anything. Not a thing.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I should play the lottery!

Why will you not answer the questions asked.

They are not hard questions.
They are not complicated to comprehend.

Why change the subject, when you have no answers?
Consider the source.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by enuffguff View Post
Ugh. I don't know how that's avoid"e"nce. It's just ridiculous and overly dramatic. It's hysteria being injected into a discussion that doesn't need it.

Talking about immigration reform isn't the same as "defending illegals". But obviously the discussion is way over your head. You're just falling in with the "cool kids", the mob if you will. And spewing the same rhetoric.

You guys can keep talking about the illegal boogeyman as if it's one big gang, making the issue less complex, simple and stupid. Keeping trying to make it cowboys vs. indians, good guys vs. bad guys, while the rest of us talk about the actual issues: fixing and improving the system, realistic goals to lower illegal crossings, and keeping
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anti-Mexican
rhetoric out of the discussion.
We've got us a "race-baiter".
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:56 PM
 
Location: California
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We've got us a "race-baiter".

Troll,more than likely........

But if we continue to feed the ego, ......we will continue down the same road.....

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Old 07-31-2009, 02:51 AM
 
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LOL still avoiding. But I'll bite. Illegals are bad guys. Why? Because 100% of them are criminals.
Amnesty won't fix the problem. Rewarding illegal behavior only invites more. The last amnesty should teach us all that lesson.
The only thing that is over my head in this discussion is why you can't answer a simple question.
How can you defend illegal immigration given the enormous numbers of victims due to illegal alien crimes?
How do you justify amnesty which only rewards illegal behaviors?
Read my posts. I want employers hammered for the laws that they break.
I am not un-sympathetic towards the illegals problems. I just feel that our own people in need are more deserving of our resourses than people who don't respect our laws or our rights as a nation.
What reform do we need? We need to raise our standards for one. We don't need unskilled or uneducated people. We produce enough of those already.
Lastly we don't owe them anything. Not a thing.
Completely agree. We should have no problem with people willing to immigrate legally. Somewhere out there, is a good family who respects American culture and respects our laws, being denied a visa because our country is already filled with illegals.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:14 AM
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Guys, how many times do I have to remind you not to respond to trolls ? This only encourages them to post more! Whether you prove the troll is posting bs or not is irreelevant -all he wants is attention, he couldn't care less about facts.
So please, just ignore until a mod has a chance to ban Better yet - contact a mod!
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Completely agree. We should have no problem with people willing to immigrate legally. Somewhere out there, is a good family who respects American culture and respects our laws, being denied a visa because our country is already filled with illegals.
That's exactly true. How many employers of illegals ever made an attempt to bring in legal immigrants to work? Most never did. They have no intention of following the law because it's all about getting cheap labor.

Agricultural visas are not limited so there is no excuse for illegal farmworkers to be brought in. Legal farmworkers are better paid, and are given better working conditions and there is no excuse since there are no limits on these temporary visas.

Out-of-control illegal immigration makes it far more difficult for those good people out there who would like to come here for all the right reasons and would respect our laws.
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Old 08-01-2009, 05:24 PM
 
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here's another crime story

Mexican citizen sentenced to 57 months in federal prison for assault on Border Patrol agent (http://www.startribune.com/nation/51941027.html - broken link)
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Old 08-01-2009, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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Alleged gunman, brother charged in wedding melee | IndyStar.com | The Indianapolis Star
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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Tennessee

http://www.murfreesboropost.com/news.php?viewStory=18452

Man charged with statutory rape of 13-year-old girl

July 31, 2009


Ever Ricardo Morales, 22

Statutory rape charges were filed against Ever Ricardo Morales, 22, accused of having sex multiple times with a 13-year-old girl. He's charged with five counts of statutory rape. “Morales admitted having sex with her starting March of 2008 and through July of 2009,” Roberts reported. “(The) victim stated that it has been going on longer.” Morales was born in Guatemala and does not possess any legal documents, he has been in TN. since 2006.
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