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Good point...and while occasionally, one person has been known to "murder" another, I can't remember the last time I heard of a person who "stole" someone. I thought Abraham Lincoln put that whole industry out of business in 1865...
Anyone who "stole or murdered a person" SHOULD get the attention of the authorities, I agree.
Admittedly, I haven't heard of "stole" in relation to a person since I was a kid. Perhaps it's a ‘black’ idiom, but it used to mean. . . . .
Pro illegal alien apologists' claims are growing more outlandish by the day---------methinks their desperation is starting to really show.
I just don't think a victimless crime should result in families being broken apart. You may cry boo-hoo, but seriously, what has illegal immigration done to you? I mean if there was a way to include them legally in some sort of guest worker program (insure that they have gainful employment, they pay taxes, and they are here legally) then I would be all for it. Look, they are already here. Breaking up the family unit is not conducive for a healthy enviroment for the children. The additional trauma will be a burden on them which, in turn, may lead to acts of aggression. These acts will cost us money (vandalism, theft, etc.).
I agree that illegal immigration is not good if left unchecked. However, is it possible to create a system in which you make it easier to enter legally? Like a guest worker program? Can we also give money to places like Mecca, CA or Santa Ana, CA to build up decent schools and healthcare? I don't want a costly fence. It is too expensive, the job creation will most likely be contracted out to companies who hire illegals, the irony will be astounding. I'm all for ironic situations, but this would be over the top. Also, it would reverse any gains we have made with our image abroad.
What if we ask large employers to sign onto this guest worker program. That way the corporations can recruit, if they so desire, and go through the proper legal channels. I mean it's a start.
Benicar: Really? Most identity theft in this nation occurs from nationals. Not immigrants. So my point is still valid. My friend was a victim of ID theft. It was an American. The vast majority of people who "steal" identifications are American.
I just think that illegal immigration paranoia has gotten out of control. I think that we as a nation need to reevaluate a lot of things. This is one of them. They still will come over regardless, so how do we not create an permenant underclass and include them as part of the middle class and have them spend and contribute to our economy? That really is the core issue.
I just don't think a victimless crime should result in families being broken apart. You may cry boo-hoo, but seriously, what has illegal immigration done to you? I mean if there was a way to include them legally in some sort of guest worker program (insure that they have gainful employment, they pay taxes, and they are here legally) then I would be all for it. Look, they are already here. Breaking up the family unit is not conducive for a healthy enviroment for the children. The additional trauma will be a burden on them which, in turn, may lead to acts of aggression. These acts will cost us money (vandalism, theft, etc.).
I agree that illegal immigration is not good if left unchecked. However, is it possible to create a system in which you make it easier to enter legally? Like a guest worker program? Can we also give money to places like Mecca, CA or Santa Ana, CA to build up decent schools and healthcare? I don't want a costly fence. It is too expensive, the job creation will most likely be contracted out to companies who hire illegals, the irony will be astounding. I'm all for ironic situations, but this would be over the top. Also, it would reverse any gains we have made with our image abroad.
What if we ask large employers to sign onto this guest worker program. That way the corporations can recruit, if they so desire, and go through the proper legal channels. I mean it's a start.
Benicar: Really? Most identity theft in this nation occurs from nationals. Not immigrants. So my point is still valid. My friend was a victim of ID theft. It was an American. The vast majority of people who "steal" identifications are American.
I just think that illegal immigration paranoia has gotten out of control. I think that we as a nation need to reevaluate a lot of things. This is one of them. They still will come over regardless, so how do we not create an permenant underclass and include them as part of the middle class and have them spend and contribute to our economy? That really is the core issue.
ID theft is not a victimless crime. We have enough 'homegrown' criminals so why add in the losers here illegally as well??
And; if 'breaking up the family unit' concerns the parties involved so much-------------their US born children can accompany their parents back to the latter's home countries. Problem solved.
Quite frankly: I do not care what Mexico (the largest source of illegals) thinks of us-----------that nation needs to grow up and take care of its own.
ID theft is not a victimless crime. We have enough 'homegrown' criminals so why add in the losers here illegally as well??
And; if 'breaking up the family unit' concerns the parties involved so much-------------their US born children can accompany their parents back to the latter's home countries. Problem solved.
Quite frankly: I do not care what Mexico (the largest source of illegals) thinks of us-----------that nation needs to grow up and take care of its own.
I never said it was. So why are you bringing it up? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. So let me try to explain.
Never once did I state that ID theft is victimless. My friend had $2,000 charged to her for tickets to Taiwan. So, I know firsthand. My point was that it is more common to have Americans commit said acts. Americans steal identifications to sell to illegals typically. So it still validates my point.
Regardless, this is a non-issue which I don't understand your fascination with.
Sure they can leave the first world to go to a developing nation. But, why? They will most likely will come back and now with a smaller skill set. So now we just increased those more in need of welfare. They now don't speak English, yet are American citizens. Problem not solved. The problem got worse.
You may not care what Mexico thinks of you, but Europe and Asia do. Image abroad has ramifications that we are starting to understand. In a global economy, we lose interests abroad if we can't market ourselves. This is part of the reason why China is winning over the Middle East and Africa. We look and are portrayed as evil, whereas China is the Cinderella of the third world. Europe despises China due to human rights abuses. However, Europe adores Brazil and India. BRIC is the name of the game. Our isolationist, nonchalant attitude is not winning friends. Our current hostility is definitely not helping matters.
I hope this clarifies things. Maybe might help if you look at both sides of the issue. Just a suggestion.
Immigrants stealing U.S. Social Security numbers for jobs, not profits
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Published: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2006
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Camber Lybbert thought it was a mistake when her bank told her that her daughter's Social Security number, issued by the U.S. government, was on their files for two credit cards and two auto loans, with an outstanding balance of more than $25,000.
Her daughter is 3 years old.
For Lybbert and her husband, Tyson, the call was the beginning of a five- month scramble trying to clear up their daughter's credit history. As it turned out, an illegal immigrant, Jose Tinoco, was using their daughter's stolen Social Security number, not in pursuit of a financial crime, but in order to get a job.
The numbers are used in the United States by the government to track employees for tax purposes.
"From what I've picked up, he wasn't using it maliciously," said Lybbert, who lives in Draper, Utah. "He was using it to have a job, to get a car, provide for his family. My husband's like, 'Don't you feel bad, you've ruined this guy's life?'
Article from: Chicago Tribune (Chicago, IL) Article date: May 30, 2007 More results for: Father of Chicago official charged with selling fake ID | Copyright information (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/Common/Controls/# - broken link)COPYRIGHT 2007 Chicago Tribune. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group. (Hide copyright information (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/Common/Controls/# - broken link)) Byline: Matt O'Connor
May 30--A Chicago alderman's father who is charged in an alleged fake documentation scheme was released on $50,000 bond today.
Elias Munoz, whose arrest Tuesday followed a federal raid in Chicago's Little Village neighborhood several weeks ago, was released after an initial appearance before U.S. Magistrate Judge Geraldine Soat Brown.
The fatherof Ald. Ricardo Munoz (22nd), Elias Munoz was ordered to return to court Monday to post property to secure the $50,000 bond.
Munoz will be staying with his daughter Nancy Munoz-Seelentag, who will act as his custodian to ensure he stays out o trouble, officials said. Until his return to court ...
Maybe, all children of a parent that robbed a bank should sue Obama too. Let's see how much sympathy he holds for them. Every American needs to start screaming in emails and phone calls. You know what they say, "The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease."
So, far it's only the Pro-illegal alien supporters who are yelling, while the dumb, docile American sits back and ignores the fact his country is being invaded from it's souther border.
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Federal law enforcement estimates that 10 percent to 30 percent of illegal aliens are actually apprehended and 10 percent to 20 percent of drugs are seized. Therefore, in 2005, as many as 10 to 4 million illegal aliens crossed into the United States; and as much as 2.2 to 1.1 million kilograms of cocaine and 11.6 to 5.8 million kilograms of marijuana entered the United States.
Maybe, all children of a parent that robbed a bank should sue Obama too. Let's see how much sympathy he holds for them. Every American needs to start screaming in emails and phone calls. You know what they say, "The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease."
So, far it's only the Pro-illegal alien supports who are yelling, while the dumb, docile American sits back and ignore the fact his country is being invaded from it's souther border.
Agreed. Hopefully, now that many of the obviously dumb and docile have lost their homes and jobs, they are forced to focus on the cause and effect of illegal immigration. The costs that are incurred as a result of their presence in this country continues to play a huge part in our pending demise.
Agreed. Hopefully the fact that many of the obviously dumb and docile have lost their homes, jobs and are forced to focus on the cause of effects of illegal immigration, which has played a huge part in our pending demise.
Well, let's hope everyone starts to realize the enormous problem it's causing every American in the United States. Every pay check in America has money taken out of it to support the illegal aliens and their Anchor Babies and they just keep coming and having more babies in American. Will it ever end?
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Federal law enforcement estimates in 2005, as many as 10 to 4 million illegal aliens crossed into the United States; and as much as 2.2 to 1.1 million kilograms of cocaine and 11.6 to 5.8 million kilograms of marijuana entered the United States.
I never said it was. So why are you bringing it up? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. So let me try to explain.
Never once did I state that ID theft is victimless. My friend had $2,000 charged to her for tickets to Taiwan. So, I know firsthand. My point was that it is more common to have Americans commit said acts. Americans steal identifications to sell to illegals typically. So it still validates my point.
Regardless, this is a non-issue which I don't understand your fascination with.
Sure they can leave the first world to go to a developing nation. But, why? They will most likely will come back and now with a smaller skill set. So now we just increased those more in need of welfare. They now don't speak English, yet are American citizens. Problem not solved. The problem got worse.
You may not care what Mexico thinks of you, but Europe and Asia do. Image abroad has ramifications that we are starting to understand. In a global economy, we lose interests abroad if we can't market ourselves. This is part of the reason why China is winning over the Middle East and Africa. We look and are portrayed as evil, whereas China is the Cinderella of the third world. Europe despises China due to human rights abuses. However, Europe adores Brazil and India. BRIC is the name of the game. Our isolationist, nonchalant attitude is not winning friends. Our current hostility is definitely not helping matters.
I hope this clarifies things. Maybe might help if you look at both sides of the issue. Just a suggestion.
It sounds that what your friend experienced was credit card theft, not ID theft. That is when the thief appropriates your ssn. Much bigger a deal, and much harder to combat.
Secondly, Europe and yes, even China have their own problems with illegal immigration. Not a one of them thinks we are evil for enforcing our immigration laws...just as they are not evil for enforcing theirs.
I just don't think a victimless crime should result in families being broken apart. You may cry boo-hoo, but seriously, what has illegal immigration done to you? I mean if there was a way to include them legally in some sort of guest worker program (insure that they have gainful employment, they pay taxes, and they are here legally) then I would be all for it. Look, they are already here. Breaking up the family unit is not conducive for a healthy enviroment for the children. The additional trauma will be a burden on them which, in turn, may lead to acts of aggression. These acts will cost us money (vandalism, theft, etc.).
I agree that illegal immigration is not good if left unchecked. However, is it possible to create a system in which you make it easier to enter legally? Like a guest worker program? Can we also give money to places like Mecca, CA or Santa Ana, CA to build up decent schools and healthcare? I don't want a costly fence. It is too expensive, the job creation will most likely be contracted out to companies who hire illegals, the irony will be astounding. I'm all for ironic situations, but this would be over the top. Also, it would reverse any gains we have made with our image abroad.
What if we ask large employers to sign onto this guest worker program. That way the corporations can recruit, if they so desire, and go through the proper legal channels. I mean it's a start.
Benicar: Really? Most identity theft in this nation occurs from nationals. Not immigrants. So my point is still valid. My friend was a victim of ID theft. It was an American. The vast majority of people who "steal" identifications are American.
I just think that illegal immigration paranoia has gotten out of control. I think that we as a nation need to reevaluate a lot of things. This is one of them. They still will come over regardless, so how do we not create an permenant underclass and include them as part of the middle class and have them spend and contribute to our economy? That really is the core issue.
The percentage of ID theft committed by U.S. citizens, in comparison to illegal aliens, is not the issue. At issue, is the fact that illegal aliens MUST resort to some form of criminal behavior to work illegally in this country. . . . be it ID theft, fake SSN, document fraud, tax evasion, etc. I don’t believe in rewarding criminal behavior, and illegal aliens should not be absolved of these crimes simply because they have US-born children. In essence, you are advocating a two-tier legal system -- one for U.S. citizens, and one for illegal aliens.
Breaking up families? It’s interesting that many of those crying foul, had no problem leaving behind their wives and children to come there. Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing in our immigration laws which would preclude US-born children from accompanying their deported parents back to their countries of origin. If so, I would be the first to object.
You may consider all aspects of illegal immigration to be innocuous, but I don’t. Nor, is illegal immigration a “victimless crime.” When legitimate contractors lose businesses due to low-balling by unscrupulous employers of illegal aliens -- real people are hurt. When previously livable wages are depressed to a level only sustainable by those willing to live 15-20 per 2-bedroon apartment -- real families suffer. When schools are overburdened by millions of illegal alien children -- our own children (and our country) pay the price. When hospitals are bankrupted due to massive illegal alien nonpayment -- the health and wellbeing of entire communities is jeopardized. The list goes on. . .
Given our current economic woes, our tax dollars simply can no longer support millions of unlawful foreigners who take much, and give little. As a parent, my priority is my son and his future children. As an American, I must consider the lives of my fellow citizens, over the lives of people who should not be here; and arguably don’t give a damn about this country or its citizenry.
On numerous occasions, we have requested a cogent justification for illegal immigration. The wait continues……….
BTW, paranoia is an excessive or irrational suspicion of others, coupled by delusions of persecution or grandeur. Opposition to the unabated intrusion by 20+ million foreigners, and the detriment their presence engenders, hardly qualifies as being paranoid. This is not an illusionary threat; it is quite real. Obviously, illegal immigration will have to smack a few faces, to bring home this reality.
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