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Old 02-05-2009, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Oh for God's sake, you don't need to dream up a "solution." Get the U.S. Army with tanks going down the street and at the border hunting down illegals on American soil. That would certainly solve the problem.
If the economy crashes into depression levels................all the bets are off.
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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That's on everyone's mind. But that would be Off Topic (OT). The thread would be moved and the poster would be scolded. Both outsourcing American jobs and the illegal alien invasion should be stopped. The illegal alien invasion is a devastating, expensive and preventable crime, that hurts the young and old alike! The illegal aliens are killing more Americans on American soil than are being killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. To me that does not "Pale In Comparison", when compared to outsourcing jobs.

Every day 12 Americans are murdered by an illegal alien. Another 13 Americans are killed by uninsured drunk illegal aliens and Eight American Children are victims of a sex crime committed by an illegal alien each day!
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ia05_king/col_20060505_bite.html (broken link)
Just hoping to redirect the attention of some, as it were. Every issue needs its attention, so cheers to your passion. I'm just worried about all the specific issues that are wrapping up our attention via ideologies when the problem reaches further than the pet issues we've been conditioned to pursue. The real battle is to get our political elite to stop feeding us pet issues and solve our real developing problems. Until we accomplish that, the pendulum will keep swinging between one extreme of nonsense and the other, and none of our real issues will be fixed in that process of lobbyist/elitist favors and bickering.

The problem at the root of everything right now is that our country is behind in education and masses are slipping between the cracks. Without solving that, nothing else can be solved.
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Those illegal immigrants' 'rights' marches back in May 2006 were a huge PR blunder-----------at best. They were the 'tipping point' for may Americans of any race/ethnicity.

Like you; prior to that date I was ambivalent at worse towards illegal aliens-----------now: I want those criminals gone.
Hopefully they'll have some more of those marches.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Hopefully they'll have some more of those marches.
The May 2008 marches fizzled quite badly----------even the pro illegal fans were quite disappointed at the lack of turnout. To me that proves they are petrified of the repercussions.

The cold reality is this pro amnesty crap is reminiscent of the Civil Right Movement of another era----------running in reverse. Read that public opinion is growing against amnesty, etc.
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Post the poll links and they must be from neutral groups.
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i still think people like you and JDM are in the minority. its not that big of an issue. not even amongst hispanics. there are bigger fish to fry.

the illegal "drain" is over exagerated.
Rasmussen Polls - about as neutral as one can get.

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While 45% support a very open policy of legal immigration, solid majorities also support efforts to reduce the flow of illegal immigrants. By a 2-to-1 margin (60% to 28%), Americans believe it is more important to gain control of the nation’s borders than to “legalize the status of undocumented workers already living in the United States.” Seventy-two percent (72%) of Republicans believe gaining control of the border should be the top priority, a view shared by 58% of unaffiliateds and 52% of Democrats.

Sixty-one percent (61%) favor strict sanctions on employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. That figure is little changed from September. In September, nearly half of Americans also favored strict sanctions on landlords who provided housing for illegal immigrants.

Today, 58% want the government to build a 700-mile barrier along the U.S.-Mexican border. The barrier was approved by Congress and the President last year.
Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Site.

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One-third of U.S. voters are still angry about illegal immigration, an issue that neither presidential candidate has made central to his campaign. But, voters blame Washington, not immigrants.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that along with the 32% who express "anger," an additional 27% are frustrated with the lack of action. Thirty-nine percent (39%) say it’s just one of many issues they have an opinion about.

Eighty-three percent (83%) of those angry about immigration direct their anger at the federal government while only 12% point towards the immigrants. This fact, perhaps more than any other, may explain how official Washington misread the public mood so badly last June. While the Senators believed they were solving the problem, voters believed that the government was the problem.

This is consistent with other recent polling data showing that an overwhelming majority of voters believe the federal government itself has become a special interest group that looks out primarily for its own interest.
Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Site.

Who is in the minority?
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Keep an eye on the economy and the surging unemployment. When the well is dry, many blind eyes will open.

BTW, I didn’t realize JDubsMom and I are the only anti-illegal immigration posters on this forum.
Count me in.
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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Rasmussen polls neutral? Yea right..we all know their polls always have a conservative tilt to them.

Regardless, those polls don't even support some of the viewpoints some of you hold on here. LOL


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Eighty-three percent (83%) of those angry about immigration direct their anger at the federal government while only 12% point towards the immigrants.
I bet all the 12 percent post on this forum.

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1994 – In articles published in the Observer, he was said to be the head of an organization working to impose term limits on elected officials, which was also part of the Republican national agenda at that time.

2001 –Rasmussen self-published a book on privatizing Social Security, titled A Better Deal; Social Security Choice, and thus joined the Republican effort to promote that issue.

2003-2004 - As a campaign consultant, Rasmussen received $95,500 from the Republican National Committee and another $45,500 from the George W. Bush campaign.
--Source: Center for Public Integrity website.
http://therasmussenretort.blogspot.com/

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Old 02-06-2009, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Those who are here (in US) illegally are law breakers.

They are being caught, prosecuted, and deported.

Other illegals are leaving on their own - there have been news accounts on border towns (Mexico) suffering over crowded conditions because of it.

The border fence is nearing completion.
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Old 02-07-2009, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Those who are here (in US) illegally are law breakers.

They are being caught, prosecuted, and deported.

Other illegals are leaving on their own - there have been news accounts on border towns (Mexico) suffering over crowded conditions because of it.

The border fence is nearing completion.
The pro illegal folks are still in denial over all of the above------------never mind that I see/hear far fewer Spanish speaking Indians* here compared to 2007.

*in the USA; a person who is at least 1/2 pre Euro indigenous heritage is still counted as 'Indian' so I am simply applying that same rule of thumb to Latinos.
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Old 02-07-2009, 08:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Rasmussen polls neutral? Yea right..we all know their polls always have a conservative tilt to them.

Regardless, those polls don't even support some of the viewpoints some of you hold on here. LOL

I bet all the 12 percent post on this forum.

Who is Scott Rasmussen?
I see, so when you post the information you retrieve from organizations with a slant that favors illegal immigration, it's okay, because they're completely unbiased.....got it.

Zogby Post-Election Poll Reveals No Mandate for Illegal Alien Amnesty

Among the key findings of the poll are:

-- Only 32% of Obama voters considered his support for amnesty as a factor in their decisions to vote for him. 67% said it was either not a factor at all, or they voted for Obama in spite of his stance on amnesty.

-- 60% of voters said reducing illegal immigration and cracking down on employers who hire them is important to them, while only 21%supported "legalizing or creating a pathway to citizenship" for illegal aliens.

-- 57% of voters stated that amnesty would harm American workers and further strain public resources, while only 26% believe amnesty would aid economic recovery and ease public burdens.

Zogby Post-Election Poll Reveals No Mandate for Illegal Alien Amnesty - MarketWatch

Got a problem with Zogby? Take it up with the Wall Street Journal.
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