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Old 02-10-2009, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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im not saying i agree with this. but im sure there is more to the story. if i did catch a perp in my yard, i can hold them, but i cant torture them.

not saying thats what he did. but i think the treatment of the people he aprehended has a bit to do with it. it will all come out. but even if he is exonerated, he loses money, he loses sleep, he loses alot. and what can he do to get that back? go after the people who sued him?

its a sad case really.
Outrageously sad.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:11 PM
 
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You can't just round up people by gunpoint for crossing your property. There are fundamental human rights that Western countries agree on. Believe it or not, those rights also apply to brown people.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You can't just round up people by gunpoint for crossing your property. There are fundamental human rights that Western countries agree on. Believe it or not, those rights also apply to brown people.
And if said trespassers were Nordic White or Black: would be just as outraged?

Illegal is illegal regardless of actual race/ethnicity.

Too: what would happen if a bunch of Gringos trespassed across a property owner's land in Mexico? Methinks said trespassers would likely be assaulted-----------or worse.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:36 PM
 
Location: USA
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You can't just round up people by gunpoint for crossing your property. There are fundamental human rights that Western countries agree on. Believe it or not, those rights also apply to brown people.
Here in Arizona, property owners are allowed to use the threat of deadly force to protect their property.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The federal courthouse in Tucson, Arizona, is the site of a showdown between two extremes in the debate over illegal immigration and border security. Rancher Roger Barnett is being sued by a group of illegal aliens he held at gun point on his property near the Mexican border in 2004. Barnett claims he has helped the border patrol apprehend more than 12,000 illegal border crossers during the past decade.


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90 paragraphs down from the top.
OR three quarters way down the page.

CNN.com - Transcripts

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Old 02-12-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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[FONT=Arial Black]Here in Arizona, property owners are allowed to use the threat of deadly force to protect their property. [/FONT]

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The federal courthouse in Tucson, Arizona, is the site of a showdown between two extremes in the debate over illegal immigration and border security. Rancher Roger Barnett is being sued by a group of illegal aliens he held at gun point on his property near the Mexican border in 2004. Barnett claims he has helped the border patrol apprehend more than 12,000 illegal border crossers during the past decade.


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90 paragraphs down from the top.

[URL="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ldt.01.html"]CNN.com - Transcripts[/URL]
The law treats bondage differently.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: USA
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The law treats bondage differently.
Too bad he just didn't dig a hole with his backhoe!
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Full time RV"er
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The law treats bondage differently.
I find it funny that the Judge who swore an aoth to uphold our constitution against all enemy's from within and from outside , sounds like he doesn't know how to read his own papers He calls them again and again "ILLEGALS!" are they then not our enemy's? Sounds like we need to get rid of more than the ILLEGALS
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Full time RV"er
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You can't just round up people by gunpoint for crossing your property. There are fundamental human rights that Western countries agree on. Believe it or not, those rights also apply to brown people.
OH Really ! please show us all where it says that. Including the enemy see if they are damaging your property urinating in public , littering and stealing , trespassing that is against "OUR" laws and you can detain them for OUR" OFFICIALS. WHY weren't the sent back across the border??
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Sneads Ferry NC/Randolph NJ/Cape Coral FL
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I'm speechless...I just read about this in the washington Post..unreal
Where & when does it end
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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Blacknight is right guys. The anger is misplaced. You should be angry at the judge for allowing the case, not at than those who came into this country in blatant disregard for sovereign U.S. law and who then got their panties in a wad when the property owner, whose land they used to illegally come into this country, objected to their trespassing and turned them over to Border Patrol at gunpoint.

You know we've been told time and time again--I'm not sure why we haven't really gotten it yet, but there is a rationalization for Blacknight's stance.

Illegal aliens have the mindset and the innocence of children. They are not responsible for their actions. Why, we all know that if the nasty, exploititive employers of the U.S. weren't dangling cash and prizes in front of the poor little illegals, inducing them to leave their glorious homeland for a life of indentured servitude in America, this would have never happened.

Remember, illegal aliens are unable to differentiate between right and wrong and therefore, are not culpable for their actions. They are not responsible for any "accidental" incidental criminal activity. It's all the fault of the U.S. government........

We do not hold children to the same standards of behavior that we do adults because they are lacking in maturity, judgement and self control. If a six year old whacks another six year old over some perceived slight, we give them a time out or some other age appropriate punishment. Grown adults are not allowed to go around hitting each other and if they do the consequences are more serious.

There are specific other groups of adults who cannot be held responsible for their behavior for various reasons.

1. Those with deficient mental development.
An individual who is mentally retarded cannot be held to the same behavior standard as everybody else. If this person sees a snack they would like, picks it up and carries it out of the store, they are probably not 'shoplifting'. They simply do not understand the need to pay for the snack. They would not be treated the same as a gang of teens swiping cigarettes.

2. Those with serious mental disorders.
If a person is having difficulty determining what is real and what is not, if they smash a store window because, due to their illness, they 'saw' a snake
behind the window, this is not handled the same as someone who smashes the window because they are trying to break into the store.

3. Illegal aliens.
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