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Old 02-16-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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Do you have a hard time making the distinction between someone moving into this country to live and work illegally, and a criminal crossing the border to do the bidding of a drug cartel?
They are both in the US illegally.

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Is this the illegal crossing forum? Or is it the IMMIGRATION forum?

Is illegal alien just an umbrella term for anything Mexican crossing that border?
It is not applicable when 'anything Mexican' that crosses the border does so legally. I kind of doubt that includes the kidnappers working at the behest of the Mexican drug lords.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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Do you have a hard time making the distinction between someone moving into this country to live and work illegally, and a criminal crossing the border to do the bidding of a drug cartel?
Is this the illegal crossing forum? Or is it the IMMIGRATION forum?

Is illegal alien just an umbrella term for anything Mexican crossing that border?
The same people smuggling drugs are smuggling people. It's not about criminals who are extremely specialized and picky about the crimes they'll commit. They'll do absolutely anything for money. Organized crime rings smuggle and traffic drugs, they steal social security numbers and sell fraudulent and stolen ID, they traffick humans for all kinds of purposes, cheap labor, prostitution, a large number of illegals finance their trips by smuggling in drugs.

Could the Mexican cartels have such an efficient drug trafficking network without the network of illegals living in every city and town? How do you think that drugs are moved from the Ciudad Juarez warehouses to every American city and town in just a few hours?

Why are the narco-corridos like Tigres del Norte so immensely popular among the illegals? You can't really separate the groups, illegals by definition are willing to break many of the laws of the USA, and many don't see selling drugs to the hated Americans as a crime at all.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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I'm sorry, I must've been confused with the frequent references to drug cartels in the article.

Since you're "up on the times"(hear the latest gossip at the lockers?), tell me how this connects to the issue of illegal immigration.
Unfortunately though you're right. It's not just illegals from Mexico, many legal immigrants from there are involved in the many crimes going on which of course are easy due to a wide open unenforced border.

The laser visas make it quite a bit easier, crimes can be committed in Mexico and over the border to safety the criminals go, and vice versa. Criminals rule over the border now.
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Default Illegal regardless of the reason is still illegal

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Is illegal alien just an umbrella term for anything Mexican crossing that border?
NO; it isn't a reference to A nationality it means to enter the country illegally, i.e.; without an entry Visa.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Let's not let Columbia and other Countries off the hook in this mess. The problem is it's getting funneled through Mexico, apparently without much resistance either.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Do you have a hard time making the distinction between someone moving into this country to live and work illegally, and a criminal crossing the border to do the bidding of a drug cartel?
Is this the illegal crossing forum? Or is it the IMMIGRATION forum?
All of the above are criminals----------period. And they need to be dealt with accordingly.

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Is illegal alien just an umbrella term for anything Mexican crossing that border?
Quit blurring the distinction between legal immigrants (and visitors) and illegal aliens. The latter are an insult to those Mexicans who obeyed US law.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Phoenix is also heading down the road to becoming the Meth Capital as well...


Resurgence of meth labs in Arizona feared...
Mexico's crackdown expected to cause production to rise in Ariz.

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"The small labs are beginning to come back," Attorney General Terry Goddard said. "I see it come across my desk almost every day."
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wow, someone recently said there wasn't a meth problem there, that it's an American phenom.
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Wow, someone recently said there wasn't a meth problem there, that it's an American phenom.
They make Meth in Mexico and ship to the states...with the Drug War in Mexico, Meth Labs are now popping back up in the Phoenix area. Meth is a mainly an American Problem...The American need for Meth fuels the Mexican Labs and now once again the American Labs.

..Read the Article...

Now you might be referring to the false assertions that AZ Bears makes that Meth use is down...

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The number of labs seized in the state plummeted from more than 200 in 2002 to fewer than a dozen in 2007 as manufacturers moved operations to Mexico.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Phoenix is also heading down the road to becoming the Meth Capital as well...


Resurgence of meth labs in Arizona feared...
Mexico's crackdown expected to cause production to rise in Ariz.
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They make Meth in Mexico and ship to the states...with the Drug War in Mexico, Meth Labs are now popping back up in the Phoenix area. Meth is a mainly an American Problem...The American need for Meth fuels the Mexican Labs and now once again the American Labs.

..Read the Article...

Now you might be referring to the false assertions that AZ Bears makes that Meth use is down...
False assertations? Show me some proof that Meth labs are actually roaring back here.............

People here are quite pissed at Meth so the odds are quite high that any local labs will be turned in to police.

As for actual Meth usage; ibarrio, if you cared to actually quote more from the article that you posted the link too.........

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The project established baseline data in April 2007, before launching its campaign. A youth survey one year later found that the numbers of first-time users in eighth, 10th and 12th grades had been cut in half.
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