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Old 02-20-2009, 12:03 AM
 
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According to what I heard(which according to some, I'm way off on), the shooting wasn't reported, and covered up.
If that's the case, that's the big mistake they had made.
I don't think all this fuss would have been made if they handled everything AFTER the shooting the right way.

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Yes, they DID report it. They were required to VERBALLY report the incident to their supervisor... who was there on the scene, while they were picking up their shells (covering up?)! Their SUPERVISOR was the one required to make a formal written report... and failed to do so. The SUPERVISOR and the other agents on the scene were all offered IMMUNITY in exchange for their testimony against Ramos and Compean. Why would they need immunity if they weren't part of the "cover up"?

They. Were. Railroaded.

So much ignorance on this event, it boggles the mind.
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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I have before....and will probably, again. Hate to say this, but I have to feel that the police are on "our side"..that is, the side of civilized society vs chaos. Doesn't always work that way, but I believe it's usually fair to take the side of the police, vs the side of the criminal, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL.

The police "work for us"...you, me, and 'society'. We 'swear them in', train them, give them guns, and send them out to work. I'm not willing to do that work....you couldn't PAY me enough to work in that atmosphere, in that environment, with that kind of stress...but I'm glad SOMEBODY is willing to do it. (I'm not sure YOU'D want to do it, either).

If someone's willing to do that unpleasant job..if they've sworn an oath to 'do the right thing'....and if the day ever comes that they "think" they're in danger, then I'm going to take their word for it. I'm not out there...YOU'RE not out there....and you either trust the police, or you trust the crooks.

If you don't want the cops to SHOOT you, don't SCARE them. Don't take a swing at them, don't 'rush' them, don't 'grab their weapon from them' (as some genius did a year ago), don't "lunge" at them, and don't make sudden moves at 2 in the morning in a dark alley.

What do you DO?..Here's what I told MY boys...you shut up, you do what the officer tells you, you SIT STILL and you OBEY. I don't care if he's a JERK, a RACIST, or a NUMBSKULL..that officer has a gun..YOU sit still, 'bite your tongue', and you live to see your grandkids.

If the officer is wrong, file a complaint. It MAY work. Next time, avoid situations in which you 'draw the interest' of the cops.

Not a perfect solution, but it beats the HELL out of getting shot. And in the final analysis, I trust the cops more than I trust the crooks. Crooks shoot unarmed people all the TIME..and often get away with it. Cops shoot unarmed people only OCCASIONALLY...and are then 'investigated'.

It's an ugly world out there. BEST advice is to avoid the "ugly" part. If you can't do THAT, avoid antagonizing the cops. But even if you DO, you'll probably get a better deal by antagonizing the cops, than you will if you antagonize the 'gang bangers'. "Bangers" don't take an oath, and we don't investigate them; and gangs don't assign "shooters" to desk jobs when they get caught.

Are Ramos and Compean "American Heroes"? I don't know...I wasn't there. Neither was Johnny Sutton. But I'm not ready to say "I could have done it better", either...
You’re spot on, as usual. As the sister of a former cop, I can attest to this. My brother was talented and educated, and could have chosen any profession; but he wanted to work in law enforcement to ‘help’ others by removing the ‘bad guys’ from society. I know lots of police officers who are dedicated and decent human beings, who encounter the dregs of society on a daily basis. They don’t have the option of leaving their job at work, because they are an office of the law 24/7. They must somehow muster the strength to ‘forget’ seeing the savagely murdered body of an innocent child, or the badly decomposed remains of a mother of five. Are there ‘bad’ cops? Of course! And, there are also ‘bad’ doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, pastors, etc. We generally only hear about the bad guys, but we seldom hear about the good guys -- and they are plentiful.

My brother investigated some of the most gruesome crimes imaginable; and often anguished over the victims and their families. He was forced to shoot and kill a guy to save the life of another; and years later, took that pain to his grave. Although he knew he had no choice, he never completely recovered. All cops are not ‘trigger happy’ and they are not all out to flex their muscles by brutalizing others. When I hear someone denigrating police due to the unethical behavior of the minority, it really hits a nerve. It is also an affront to all of the heroic police officers who made the ultimate sacrifice while protecting the lives of others.

It’s ironic that those who vilify others for judging all illegals by the behavior of the minority, are quick to do the same when it involves anyone other than illegal aliens. Hypocrisy anyone?
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:59 AM
 
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You’re spot on, as usual. As the sister of a former cop, I can attest to this. My brother was talented and educated, and could have chosen any profession; but he wanted to work in law enforcement to ‘help’ others by removing the ‘bad guys’ from society. I know lots of police officers who are dedicated and decent human beings, who encounter the dregs of society on a daily basis. They don’t have the option of leaving their job at work, because they are an office of the law 24/7. They must somehow muster the strength to ‘forget’ seeing the savagely murdered body of an innocent child, or the badly decomposed remains of a mother of five. Are there ‘bad’ cops? Of course! And, there are also ‘bad’ doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, pastors, etc. We generally only hear about the bad guys, but we seldom hear about the good guys -- and they are plentiful.

My brother investigated some of the most gruesome crimes imaginable; and often anguished over the victims and their families. He was forced to shoot and kill a guy to save the life of another; and years later, took that pain to his grave. Although he knew he had no choice, he never completely recovered. All cops are not ‘trigger happy’ and they are not all out to flex their muscles by brutalizing others. When I hear someone denigrating police due to the unethical behavior of the minority, it really hits a nerve. It is also an affront to all of the heroic police officers who made the ultimate sacrifice while protecting the lives of others.

It’s ironic that those who vilify others for judging all illegals by the behavior of the minority, are quick to do the same when it involves anyone other than illegal aliens. Hypocrisy anyone?
Thanks for this, and God Bless your brother....I'm sure he's 'up there somewhere' right now, still wondering why we all 'act the way we do'....
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