Slain UNT student's mother testifies before prosecution rests in Ernesto Reyes trial (legal, crime)

[JDubsMom]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

Agreed, like this would had been any better if the guy was a U.S citizen. I fail to comprehend the logic of some posters on here.

The Logic? If said immigrant had not been admitted to the US, his victim would more likely than not still be alive. I'm sure her mother misses her.

That being said, now it's your turn. I'd love to hear the logic behind your support of illegal immigration, amnesty and the DREAM Act.

[blacknight04]

Originally Posted by JDubsMom

The Logic: If said immigrant had not been legally admitted to the US, his victim would more likely than not still be alive. I'm sure her mother misses her.

So how do you propose we solve this problem? Shut down all forms of legal immigration? Or better yet, do you have the technology to predict the future actions of all legal immigrants who come to this country?

That argument doesn't hold any water at all.

[JDubsMom]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

So how do you propose we solve this problem? Shut down all forms of legal immigration? Or better yet, do you have the technology to predict the future actions of all legal immigrants who come to this country?

That argument doesn't hold any water at all.

Why are you avoiding my question? I answered yours, again now it's your turn.

The Logic? If said immigrant had not been admitted to the US, his victim would more likely than not still be alive. I'm sure her mother misses her.

That being said, now it's your turn. I'd love to hear the logic behind your support of illegal immigration, amnesty and the DREAM Act.

[Benicar]

Cases such as this should require the forfeiture of citizenship and deportation. Sadly, his victim will still be dead. I can’t help but wonder how thoroughly his background was checked.

[HoustonCynic]

Originally Posted by Benicar

Cases such as this should require the forfeiture of citizenship and deportation. Sadly, his victim will still be dead. I can’t help but wonder how thoroughly his background was checked.

Without effective border controls that is a moot point.

[JDubsMom]

Originally Posted by Benicar

Cases such as this should require the forfeiture of citizenship and deportation. Sadly, his victim will still be dead. I can’t help but wonder how thoroughly his background was checked.

God help us if they grant 20 million of them amnesty. I have no doubt that none of us will ever truly know who most of them are. Talk about great minds thinking alike . . . .

[antialphabet]

Originally Posted by JDubsMom

The Logic? If said immigrant had not been admitted to the US, his victim would more likely than not still be alive. I'm sure her mother misses her.

That being said, now it's your turn. I'd love to hear the logic behind your support of illegal immigration, amnesty and the DREAM Act.

If a reckless driver hadn't been in his truck, he wouldn't have killed my friend who was crossing the street.

If the gangsters wouldn't have been commiting a crime in a Chicago bar in the '70s, my mom's cousin would'nt have ended up cut to pieces and stuck in a refrigerator when he had a drink there and witnessed something.


If David Westerfield hadn't lived next to the Van Dam family, Danielle Van Dam wouldn't have ended up molested and murdered.


You can't predict what people are going to commit these crimes. You can't fence out chance and risk.

Innocent until proven guilty. You can't predict who is going to commit these horrible crimes before they do it.

You can get rid of every illegal person in this country, but you can't deport the chance of something bad happening to you.


This is a crime typical of humans. Not a crime typical of illegal aliens. I think that's the point you guys keep trying to stress.
Tell me to deport illegals because of the impact on infrastructure, on the schools, on the hospitals. But don't use crime as your reason.
Stop this fearmongering, trying to convince everyone that every illegal you see has a good chance of wanting to rape/murder you.

Crossing into this country illegally is a crime typical of illegal aliens.
Murder is a crime typical of murderers.
Rape is a crime typical rapists.
And ignorance is a crime typical of the ignorant.

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by HoustonCynic

Without effective border controls that is a moot point.

Legal immigrants do not slither across the border. They obey our immigration laws, and enter our country through legal channels. Thus, border control, or the lack thereof, is moot. However, a negligent background check should concern every citizen of this country. How many other violent criminals have been granted citizenship?

Even more disturbing than a negligent background check, is the falsification of information by the country of origin.

[andreabeth]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

So how do you propose we solve this problem? Shut down all forms of legal immigration? Or better yet, do you have the technology to predict the future actions of all legal immigrants who come to this country?

That argument doesn't hold any water at all.

He had a previous criminal record. Unfortunately for the citizens of the US, the offenses were not considered sufficient grounds for deportation. They should have been. This 'resident alien' was not even employed at the time he raped, strangled and burned Melanie Goodwin to death. He wasn't working, wtf was he doing here besides committing crimes? Why keep him in the country after he has burglarized two homes and been arrested for drug possession? What exactly is he contributing to American society? He should have been long gone the first time he ran afoul of the law.

Denton County records show that he pleaded guilty to burglary in 2006 and was sentenced to three years' probation. He was arrested on marijuana possession charges in February 2007, violating his probation. While in the Denton County Jail, he was detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. An ICE spokesman has said Reyes was released because his criminal conviction is not classified as a deportable offense for legal residents.

Trial set to begin in 2007 killing of University of North Texas student | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Breaking News for Dallas-Fort Worth | Dallas Morning News

And if that is not bad enough, here is the crowning indignity.

Prosecutors had hoped to send Reyes to death row, but that won't be possible because Reyes managed to make it across the border to Mexico. He faces an automatic life sentence if convicted. Mexico does not allow extradition in cases where the death penalty is in play. A Goodwin family spokesman says Melanie's parents are disappointed, but understand the wrinkles in the law. Dallas County District Attorney, Craig Watkins, says there can be justice, even if the state can't seek death

Bombshell Revelations in UNT Murder Trial

If a TX jury was given free rein, this Neanderthal would be headed for the chair.

[JDubsMom]

Originally Posted by Benicar

Legal immigrants do not slither across the border. They obey our immigration laws, and enter our country through legal channels. Thus, border control, or the lack thereof, is moot. However, a negligent background check should concern every citizen of this country. How many other violent criminals have been granted citizenship?

Even more disturbing than a negligent background check, is the falsification of information by the country of origin.

Agreed and we all know how honest and respectful of Americans and the rule of law the corrupt government and the illegal alien nationals that hail from the cesspool SOB are don't we?