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Old 12-31-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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I know one business, the owner is illegal, so is her sister. They do Medicaid and Meidcare coding, they are a subcontractor working for a corporation of doctors. Now, they are branching out, in providing in home health care, "health techs", not even CNAs, so there is no licensing. There is a huge demand for these "health techs", who help elderly/disabled with taking a bath, getting groceries. All of the techs speak Spanish, no one looks at their paperwork.

Believe me, these illegals are doing fine. And hiring other illegals.
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Old 12-31-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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Who wouldn't take legal law-abiding legal immigrants over illegals? Why should those who are here illegally expect anything much less free financial aid to attend college here?

Why are people here illegally somehow superior to legal foreign students who are here on student visas? Nothing prevents the illegals from going home and applying for a foreign student visa which is an absurdly easy visa to obtain.
Yet another myth. Who has suggested free college for illegals?

Why on earth would you take any foreign person over a DREAMIE? A DREAMIE has been educated in our schools, speaks fine english and is culturally assimilated. How would any complete foreigner compete with that?

I would also point out the only illegal act of these children is stay past 18 and a half. That would not disqualify anyone in my mind.

I think you antis have somehow picked up this view that you and you only get to determine our policies. Come back to the real world. You are a small minority..
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Old 12-31-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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Yet another myth. Who has suggested free college for illegals?

Why on earth would you take any foreign person over a DREAMIE? A DREAMIE has been educated in our schools, speaks fine english and is culturally assimilated. How would any complete foreigner compete with that?

I would also point out the only illegal act of these children is stay past 18 and a half. That would not disqualify anyone in my mind.

I think you antis have somehow picked up this view that you and you only get to determine our policies. Come back to the real world. You are a small minority..
Better to pick a foreigner who's here legally than an illegal, and DREAM Act kids are still illegal.
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Old 12-31-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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Better to pick a foreigner who's here legally than an illegal, and DREAM Act kids are still illegal.
Wrong and not clear. The DREAMIES certainly are not illegal before 18 and a half and it is questionable after that. They are deportable but that is not the same as illegal. They actually break no law other than perhaps staying to long.

And you don't get to pick a legal instead of an illegal. You can pick a legal and now you have two. One legal and one illegal.

Getting rid of the illegal is a different subject. Not a tradeoff.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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Yet another myth. Who has suggested free college for illegals?

Why on earth would you take any foreign person over a DREAMIE? A DREAMIE has been educated in our schools, speaks fine english and is culturally assimilated. How would any complete foreigner compete with that?

I would also point out the only illegal act of these children is stay past 18 and a half. That would not disqualify anyone in my mind.

I think you antis have somehow picked up this view that you and you only get to determine our policies. Come back to the real world. You are a small minority..
Wrong. All it takes for a dreamie to expect financial aid is to have been smuggled in before age 16. That means a lot of them came as 14 or 15 year olds and know next to no English. They may have little ability to assimilate.

Many foreign students in many countries have learned English from grade school on up. Kids in India for example learn English because the people of India now have a common language (how smart of them) and that language is English. Kids in Barbados speak English, they would make far better immigrants than illegals because they usually tend to respect our laws if they come legally, are raised respecting our laws.

The pro-dreamies got too absurd in their demands. All the parents have to do is smuggle the kid in before they reach age 16. The kid doesn't have to have completed high school, only a GED, and can get in line to take financial aid for an associates degree, trade school or university. Of course the parents' "undocumented" income will vastly improve their chances of obtaining financial aid over honest Americans and honest legal foreign students.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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And of course the real goal of the "dreamies". The 18 year old is handed USA citizenship on a silver platter (along with plenty of college financial aid) and can start sponsoring all kinds of illegal and not-yet arrived relatives.
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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Any of you ever read Phyler vs Doe?

From the opinion....

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To be sure, like all persons who have entered the United States unlawfully, these children are subject to deportation. 8 U.S.C. 1251 1252 (1976 ed. and Supp. IV). But there is no assurance that a child subject to deportation will ever be deported. An illegal entrant might be granted federal permission to continue to reside in this country, or even to become a citizen. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. 1252 1253(h), 1254 (1976 ed. and Supp. IV). In light of the discretionary federal power to grant relief from deportation, a State cannot realistically determine that any particular undocumented child will in fact be deported until after deportation proceedings have been completed. It would, of course, be most difficult for the State to justify a denial of education to a child enjoying an inchoate federal permission to remain.
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And what has the administration said about deportation? Basically that those that stay out of trouble won't be deported and will get work permits. How is that for "inchoate permission to remain"?
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Old 01-01-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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Plyer vs. Doe and the 14th amendment are the only American laws illegals feel should be in place. The rest -- the ones that state you're not supposed to skip our immigration lines, forge documents so you drive down American wages, file false tax returns, drive on our roads without a license -- those can be ignored because they don't benefit illegals.

Because clearly the purpose of our laws should be to benefit foreign nationals who arrogantly violate American immigration laws.

Unless under very specific circumstances where a Dreamie can truly prove they bring exceptional skills they should be deported. To do otherwise will only encourage more illegals here. We don't need them.

Ultimately WE the American people should get to pick and choose who lives here. Not a group of foreign nationals and their arrogant offspring.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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...Ultimately WE the American people should get to pick and choose who lives here. Not a group of foreign nationals and their arrogant offspring.
But ultimately it is not you, and two-thirds of those foreign nationals coming legally are related to U.S. citizens. You can kvetch about it all you want, but it isn't going to change anything. Arrogance or whatever, that is the way it is going to be.
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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But ultimately it is not you, and two-thirds of those foreign nationals coming legally are related to U.S. citizens. You can kvetch about it all you want, but it isn't going to change anything. Arrogance or whatever, that is the way it is going to be.
Do you have a source that two-thirds of illegals were related to an American before they came? Or were they related to another illegal that was already here? Or are they related to their own anchor baby they came here to give birth to so they could use the baby to get around the immigration laws?

We need a little more meat on the family sponsorship regulations. Many people don't realize what a sham that "financial responsibility" for the immigrant is. The sponsor actually can be living off welfare programs like food stamps himself, and the sponsor is not required to pay his immigrant's medical bills or even provide his immigrant an insurance plan. The sponsor doesn't even have to have joint back accounts with his immigrant.

The sponsorship only means that the sponsor's income is added in with the immigrant's when the immigrant is going for the means tested welfare programs.
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