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Old 01-05-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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We don't have to deport them. We just have to stop handing them things like a free college degree for their kids and amnesty for breaking our laws for a long time. Once illegals realize that they're not going to get anything out of our nation they will leave. They didn't exactly come here to do anything but grab what they can from us so they'll leave if we make that harder.
Myth time yet again. Show me anyone proposing that illegal aliens receive a free college education.

They have what they want - jobs. And it looks like that is how it will stay.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:57 PM
 
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The top two things that need to occur to make "most" of them leave and a deterrant to more coming here is mandating e-verify in every workplace and changing birthright citizenship.
Well this shows why you need to work on a compromise.

If you should get everify widely in place you will simply move the illegals from legal employment to the black market. That will further lower the wages and damage poorer Americans even worse.

Birthright Citizenship will be with us long after I and even my grandchildren are gone. Such a change requires almost a total concensus and that does not exist on this issue.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: California
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If you should get everify widely in place you will simply move the illegals from legal employment to the black market. That will further lower the wages and damage poorer Americans even worse.

Birthright Citizenship will be with us long after I and even my grandchildren are gone. Such a change requires almost a total concensus and that does not exist on this issue.
The black market is already there, they don't make enough to pay taxes. You claim things without any proof, only speculation.

BRC does not require a consensus at all, DoS defines and determines who is and is not born as US Citizens. Besides with the current lawsuits against Obama progressing, that alone may clarify many things about BRC.
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Old 01-05-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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The black market is already there, they don't make enough to pay taxes. You claim things without any proof, only speculation.

BRC does not require a consensus at all, DoS defines and determines who is and is not born as US Citizens. Besides with the current lawsuits against Obama progressing, that alone may clarify many things about BRC.
gosh oh gee. How can a future projection be anything other than speculation?

Your fantasy that DofS can change the 14th is truly lyrical. Sing to the hope of the truly improbable.

There are no significant suits against Obama.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:57 AM
 
Location: California
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gosh oh gee. How can a future projection be anything other than speculation?


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Your fantasy that DofS can change the 14th is truly lyrical. Sing to the hope of the truly improbable.
I didn't say DoS can change the 14th, I said DoS defines the definition of citizenship at birth. DoD recognizes who is and is not born into citizenship status.

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There are no significant suits against Obama.
There are law suites "progressing" in the courts against Obama, they may possibly define what is an NBC.

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Old 06-10-2012, 07:38 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Believe me, these illegals are doing fine. And hiring other illegals.
Not this one. She has a master's in architecture from UCLA and no one will hire her. Surely we can do more to help these young adults who were brought here as children and are here through no fault of their own.
Despite her stellar achievements, an illegal immigrant is trapped between two Americas - latimes.com
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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Not this one. She has a master's in architecture from UCLA and no one will hire her. Surely we can do more to help these young adults who were brought here as children and are here through no fault of their own.
Despite her stellar achievements, an illegal immigrant is trapped between two Americas - latimes.com
Something like 50% of American citizen college graduates are having trouble finding jobs. Every American should be given a job before these illegals who think the world or at least the USA owes them a living.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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Not this one. She has a master's in architecture from UCLA and no one will hire her. Surely we can do more to help these young adults who were brought here as children and are here through no fault of their own.
Despite her stellar achievements, an illegal immigrant is trapped between two Americas - latimes.com
So what? Our laws should not be designed to meet the ecomic dreams of foreigners. I'm so sick of hearing it's not their fault they were brought here. It's not mine either. When they drag their kids here that means Americans suffer. We're the ones who have to foot the bill to educate those kids because most illegals barely pay anything in taxes. If she can't find work here because she's in violation of our immigration laws she should stop whining that Americans won't give her citizenship and go home.

In the middle of a huge recession we have no legal or moral obligation to meet the needs of those who break our laws. Illegals always think "fairness" is about making sure that Americans make life as easy as possible for them. That's ridiculous.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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Not this one. She has a master's in architecture from UCLA and no one will hire her. Surely we can do more to help these young adults who were brought here as children and are here through no fault of their own.
Despite her stellar achievements, an illegal immigrant is trapped between two Americas - latimes.com
Yes, we can help them by sending them back to their homelands where they can be an assset to their own countries. We have no shortage of talented and educated young Americans and they sure shouldn't have to compete for jobs against those here illegally.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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Meanwhile here in American millions of citizens can't find jobs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/bu...ce.html?ref=us

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Even as most Americans are delaying retirement to bolster their savings accounts, the recession and its protracted aftermath have forced many older people who are out of work to draw Social Security much earlier than they had planned.

According to an analysis by Steve Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration, about 200,000 more people filed initial claims in 2009 and 2010 than the agency had predicted before the recession and he said the trend most likely continued in 2011 and 2012, though that is harder to quantify. The most likely reason is joblessness.
Let's worry about their needs first. Illegals have no right to demand we allow them to compete for jobs when millions of our own citizens can't find work.
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