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Old 03-01-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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PHOENIX Hit men dressed in fake police tactical gear burst into a home in Phoenix, rake it with gunfire and execute a man.
Armed kidnappers snatch victims from cars and even a local shopping mall across the Phoenix valley for ransom, turning the sun-baked city into the "kidnap capital" of the United States.
Violence of this kind is common in Mexico where drug cartel abductions and executions are a daily feature of a raging drug war that claimed 6,000 lives south of the border last year.
But U.S. authorities now fear that violent crime is beginning to bleed over the porous Mexico border and take hold here.
"The fight in Mexico is about domination of the smuggling corridors and those corridors don't stop at the border," Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard said.
Execution style murders, violent home invasions, and a spiraling kidnap rate in Phoenix -- where police reported an average of one abduction a day last year linked to Mexican crime -- are not the only examples along the border.
In southern California, police have investigated cases of Americans abducted by armed groups tied to the Tijuana drug trade. One involved a businesswoman and her teenage daughter snatched in San Diego last year and held to ransom south of the border.


Comcast.net: U.S. rattled as Mexico drug war bleeds over border (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090301/NEWS-US-USA-MEXICO-DRUGS/ - broken link)


It will be interesting to hear what the OBL's in our government plan to do about this . . . . .

 
Old 03-01-2009, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I don't expect much action from anyone in the government. The only way this issue becomes a higher priority is if it begins to result in higher profile casualties. (Maybe a senator's relative gets gunned down trying to buy drugs or something like that...) Until then, since some of the Hispanic voting block may be offended if the government were to forcefully put an end to these actions, the government will choose to ignore this issue out of fear.
 
Old 03-01-2009, 08:57 PM
 
Location: OUTTA SIGHT!
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Two things:

1) It's the same as the immigration issue in my mind: as long as there is such an *extreme* standard of living gap between the two countries people will be attracted to what makes money, drug smuggling in this case.

2) Remember who is buying all those drugs. I've met Mexicans who think it's really the American Drug Problem spilling over into their country
 
Old 03-01-2009, 09:05 PM
 
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The Director of Homeland Security (an oxymoron?) was on 60 Minutes tonight, with typical obtuse language about the violence being a 'concern' for the USA. It was pointed out that almost all of the firepower the cartels have comes from the USA - another proud American success. The violence is coming here, only a matter of time, and also coming here are waves of innocent Mexicans who'll be fleeing Mexico as the violence worsens, especially if the government there fails.
 
Old 03-01-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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I don't expect much action from anyone in the government. The only way this issue becomes a higher priority is if it begins to result in higher profile casualties. (Maybe a senator's relative gets gunned down trying to buy drugs or something like that...) Until then, since some of the Hispanic voting block may be offended if the government were to forcefully put an end to these actions, the government will choose to ignore this issue out of fear.
Plus; the buying and selling of firearms and ammunition to Mexicans south of the border is a thriving business. I doubt the NRA and other gun advocates will want this lucrative business shut down at this moment. Just like the deadly violent crack cocaine days of Americas inner cities during the Clinton Administration, the NRA and other gun advocates will this time again fall on there swords to protect the sale of all firearms to whoever and whenever.

And this, by the way, is regardless of the number of people killed or injured by these very weapons.
 
Old 03-01-2009, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Plus; the buying and selling of firearms and ammunition to Mexicans south of the border is a thriving business. I doubt the NRA and other gun advocates will want this lucrative business shut down at this moment. Just like the deadly violent crack cocaine days of Americas inner cities during the Clinton Administration, the NRA and other gun advocates will this time again fall on there swords to protect the sale of all firearms to whoever and whenever.

And this, by the way, is regardless of the number of people killed or injured by these very weapons.
Sad but true...Although I am a supporter of gun rights, often the business of weapons trafficing becomes more important than their so called "core beliefs." Maybe using e-verify to prove citizenship would make sense...Political gains will once again wipe out common sense in regards to this issue.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Two things:

1) It's the same as the immigration issue in my mind: as long as there is such an *extreme* standard of living gap between the two countries people will be attracted to what makes money, drug smuggling in this case.

2) Remember who is buying all those drugs. I've met Mexicans who think it's really the American Drug Problem spilling over into their country
Mexico's poverty is Mexico's fault-----------their collective blaming of the Gringo for their own failure is childish at best.

As for the drug thing: yes it is part our problem of them remaining in Mexico due to the US authorities making it harder and harder to transport illegal drugs here. Again: oh well-------------no one here is forcing Mexicans to use Meth, etc.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Plus; the buying and selling of firearms and ammunition to Mexicans south of the border is a thriving business. I doubt the NRA and other gun advocates will want this lucrative business shut down at this moment. Just like the deadly violent crack cocaine days of Americas inner cities during the Clinton Administration, the NRA and other gun advocates will this time again fall on there swords to protect the sale of all firearms to whoever and whenever.

And this, by the way, is regardless of the number of people killed or injured by these very weapons.
Crack grew big during the Reagan era starting in 1984.
 
Old 03-02-2009, 07:38 AM
Yac
 
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Again, just because this is an issue that concerns both the US and Mexico doesn't automatically make this about immigration.
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