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Old 03-04-2009, 03:49 AM
 
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More proof that both countries depend on each other. It is convinient for the U.S. to hire for cheap labor and for Mexico to get immigrant U.S. income for its own economy.

I still have a hard time wondering why the border is not closed. I dont really believe in conspiracy theories but it makes one wonder if it is in the plans to make all of Northern America, one huge country with the Amerinero currency in place. Frankly, I dont think either side of this immigration issue will win.

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It appears that you are the last person on earth with zero knowledge of the NAU.

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North American Union to Replace USA?
by Jerome R. Corsi

05/19/2006

President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada.

North American Union to Replace the USA? - HUMAN EVENTS
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by zacatecana View Post
More proof that both countries depend on each other. It is convinient for the U.S. to hire for cheap labor and for Mexico to get immigrant U.S. income for its own economy.

I still have a hard time wondering why the border is not closed. I dont really believe in conspiracy theories but it makes one wonder if it is in the plans to make all of Northern America, one huge country with the Amerinero currency in place. Frankly, I dont think either side of this immigration issue will win.
Flip side here:

If Mexico were to follow Spain and Portugal's path: read that clean up its problems; the odds would be excellent that there would be no fence, etc. Think Schengen Agreement and the Euro.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:26 AM
 
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You really need to educate yourself. That way every time you opened your mouth you wouldn't insert and swallow both feet. It appears that you are the last person on earth with zero knowledge of the NAU.



Some words to live by: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
Ahh yes, there we go again with the conspiracy theories. The NAU, Amero, New world order, 9/11 conspiracy theories all belong in the loony bin.
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:35 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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BIG BROTHER IS OUT TO GET YOU; BEWARE OF FLUORIDATED WATER; CENTRAL HEATING IS A BOLSHEVIK PLOT!!!

America can do the most good by closing its borders and using its power to leverage some sort of reform in Mexico. The fact of the matter is, Mexico is our large and populous nation to the south, and if they're screwed up, we're going to get the brunt of it more than anyone.
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Ahh yes, there we go again with the conspiracy theories. The NAU, Amero, New world order, 9/11 conspiracy theories all belong in the loony bin.
haha I like how it's brought up all matter-of-factly.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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More proof that both countries depend on each other. It is convinient for the U.S. to hire for cheap labor and for Mexico to get immigrant U.S. income for its own economy.

I still have a hard time wondering why the border is not closed. I dont really believe in conspiracy theories but it makes one wonder if it is in the plans to make all of Northern America, one huge country with the Amerinero currency in place. Frankly, I dont think either side of this immigration issue will win.
Truths can be painful sometimes, and I guess it's really painful to accept that the US, the world's lonely superpower, is so dependent of her southern neighboor. Yet the people in Washington know this, guess why Mexico can get away with things that most countries in the world wouldn't even dream of.

In a nutshell, both countries need each other, they depend on each other, it isn't by chance that the two nations share a border and a common history, if we are stuck together for the time that these countries last common sense dictates that we have to learn to live with it.

Yet mankind has a problem, people don't know where to find contenment, this void makes us seek things, or wish things believing that we'll find that everlasting happiness after we obtain those things we wish, that's why even positive remarks get negative feedbacks in response, the truth is that even if all the illegal immigrants dissapeared right now, people would still be unhappy and complaining, although maybe some would realize that having their wish granted didn't give them the peace they were seeking.

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The darkness of ignorance is: holding that which is unenduring, impure, full of pain, not the Soul, to be eternal, pure, full of joy, the Soul.
This we have really considered already. The psychic man is unenduring, impure, full of pain, not the Soul, not the real Self. The spiritual man is enduring, pure, full of joy, the real Self. The darkness of unwisdom is, therefore, the self-absorption of the psychical, personal man, to the exclusion of the spiritual man. It is the belief, carried into action, that the personal man is the real man, the man for whom we should toil, for whom we should build, for whom we should live. This is that psychical man of whom it is said: he that soweth to the flesh, shall of the flesh reap corruption.

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These are the hindrances: the darkness of unwisdom, self-assertion, lust hate, attachment.
Let us try to translate this into terms of the psychical and spiritual man. The darkness of unwisdom is, primarily, the self-absorption of the psychical man, his complete preoccupation with his own hopes and fears, plans and purposes, sensations and desires; so that he fails to see, or refuses to see, that there is a spiritual man; and so doggedly resists all efforts of the spiritual man to cast off his psychic tyrant and set himself free. This is the real darkness; and all those who deny the immortality of the soul, or deny the soul's existence, and so lay out their lives wholly for the psychical, mortal man and his ambitions, are under this power of darkness. Born of this darkness, this psychic self- absorption, is the dogged conviction that the psychic, personal man has separate, exclusive interests, which he can follow for himself alone; and this conviction, when put into practice in our life, leads to contest with other personalities, and so to hate. This hate, again, makes against the spiritual man, since it hinders the revelation of the high harmony between the spiritual man and his other selves, a harmony to be revealed only through the practice of love, that perfect love which casts out fear.

In like manner, lust is the psychic man's craving for the stimulus of sensation, the din of which smothers the voice of the spiritual man, as, in Shakespeare's phrase, the cackling geese would drown the song of the nightingale. And this craving for stimulus is the fruit of weakness, coming from the failure to find strength in the primal life of the spiritual man.

Attachment is but another name for psychic self-absorption; for we are absorbed, not in outward things, but rather in their images within our minds; our inner eyes are fixed on them; our inner desires brood over them; and em we blind ourselves to the presence of the prisoner' the enmeshed and fettered spiritual man.

Yoga Sutras/Book II - Wikisource

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Old 03-04-2009, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How exactly are we DEPENDENT on Mexico? What, for cheap labor? Please. If we need more labor, then we should extend FAR more Visas to displaced Iraqis. They'd be better-educated and far more appreciative of a new start. There is a huge number of Christian refugees from Iraq in Syria -- we can bring a couple hundred thousand here, if you'd like. And I'm fairly certain that they would not be marching in our streets waving the Iraqi flag and demanding more welfare benefits.

Let's see. For what else are we dependent on Mexico -- drugs? Tainted produce? Candy and soft drinks with high levels of lead?

Sorry, but some of those "dependencies" are problems that our society actually needs to fix. Eating seasonal produce that is grown here is healthier for people AND the environment. Hiring people cheaply to clean American homes and manicure yards contributes to our national obesity problem. Obviously, we need to address addiction problems.

Only relatively equal relationships between nations are healthy. There is nothing REMOTELY equal about our relationship with Mexico. They use us to prop up their country and refuse to CHANGE the practices and policies that keep their country corrupt and poor. There is little reason for Mexico to be poor. The country has a wealth of natural resources and industries but protectionism and corruption allow their elite to thrive -- they actively export their poor to us to avoid having to change.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Flip side here:

If Mexico were to follow Spain and Portugal's path: read that clean up its problems; the odds would be excellent that there would be no fence, etc. Think Schengen Agreement and the Euro.
It will eventually happen, Mexico's already one of the most important and influential countries of the world, but just like China, Brazil, India, the baggage from past mistakes will take a while to disappear, maybe generations! Spain is solid first world now, but it still has issues like ETA that are part of her past baggage.

However, Brazil and Mexico are already in a better position than China and India, their life standards are higher, yet the education and mindset is what needs to change the most, the quicker it changes the faster that the transformation will be.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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How exactly are we DEPENDENT on Mexico? What, for cheap labor? Please. If we need more labor, then we should extend FAR more Visas to displaced Iraqis. They'd be better-educated and far more appreciative of a new start. There is a huge number of Christian refugees from Iraq in Syria -- we can bring a couple hundred thousand here, if you'd like. And I'm fairly certain that they would not be marching in our streets waving the Iraqi flag and demanding more welfare benefits.

Let's see. For what else are we dependent on Mexico -- drugs? Tainted produce? Candy and soft drinks with high levels of lead?

Sorry, but some of those "dependencies" are problems that our society actually needs to fix. Eating seasonal produce that is grown here is healthier for people AND the environment. Hiring people cheaply to clean American homes and manicure yards contributes to our national obesity problem. Obviously, we need to address addiction problems.

Only relatively equal relationships between nations are healthy. There is nothing REMOTELY equal about our relationship with Mexico. They use us to prop up their country and refuse to CHANGE the practices and policies that keep their country corrupt and poor. There is little reason for Mexico to be poor. The country has a wealth of natural resources and industries but protectionism and corruption allow their elite to thrive -- they actively export their poor to us to avoid having to change.
You hit the nail square on the head. Excellent post!!
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It will eventually happen, Mexico's already one of the most important and influential countries of the world, but just like China, Brazil, India, the baggage from past mistakes will take a while to disappear, maybe generations! Spain is solid first world now, but it still has issues like ETA that are part of her past baggage.

However, Brazil and Mexico are already in a better position than China and India, their life standards are higher, yet the education and mindset is what needs to change the most, the quicker it changes the faster that the transformation will be.
You've got to be kidding. Mexico and Pakistan were recently named as the two countries most likely to FAIL. How can Mexico get to that place of prominence you already (mistakenly) ascribe to it? By cutting its dependency on the U.S. for taking care of their impoverished millions and by ending its reliance on remittances sent home by their citizens to fuel its economy.

You waxed poetic earlier about "psychic man" and the "self," well, exactly what is the effect on the psyche and the "self" when one's own country provides detailed information, encouragement, and assistance to leave it? When the country's own president brags about its ability to export cheap labor, knowing full well that the atrocities of human trafficking rape and victimize his citizens? It's a disgrace.
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