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Old 03-21-2007, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Here's an e-mail I recieved on the Amnesty Bill today.



From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA
Date: Thursday 22MAR07 12:30 a.m. EDT


U.S. House amnesty bill to be introduced today -- Let's react with firestorm of phoning

DEAR FRIEND,

This year's official push for nearly open borders in the United States is expected to begin later this morning.

Honestly, your collective reaction to the introduction of the Gutierrez/Flake amnesty bill in the U.S. House of Representatives will have great influence on whether national political leaders try to force this through.

We need to do this primarily with phones today.

We need the phones in all 435 offices of U.S. Representatives to be ringing all day in vehement opposition to what is being proposed by Rep. Gutierrez (D-IL) and Rep. Flake (R-AZ).

U.S. House switchboard:
(202) 225-3121



TALKING POINTS


Always be polite to the staffers taking the call. They will be much more likely to convey your position accurately if you treat them with respect.

Don't take too much time. Make a couple of notes about what you are going to say before you call and keep your comments simple and quick.

Here are some key points from which to choose:

1. I'm calling about the big amnesty bill that the media say will be introduced today by Congressmen Flake and Gutierrez (goo - tea - air - ez).

2. I urge Rep. xmxmxmx to keep his/her name off the co-sponsorship list. You don't want to get labeled as an amnesty supporter in our District.

3. It sounds like Flake and Gutierrez are trying to trick people into supporting it with some silly things about illegal aliens stepping across the border before coming back and being rewarded with a path to U.S. citizenship.

4. Nothing that provides a path to citizenship for illegal aliens should be supported.

5. (Provide your own reasons for opposing this bill based on your reading of Rosemary's analysis below.)


WHAT'S IN THE NEW AMNESTY BILL


Rosemary Jenks, NumbersUSA Director of Government Relations, wrote the following based on what Rep. Flake and Rep. Gutierrez have been telling the media is in their bill. The actual text of the bill has not yet been released. When it is, our NumbersUSA legislative team will quickly provide analysis on our website: www.NumbersUSA.com


UNDER GUTIERREZ/FLAKE:


Every illegal alien who could produce marginally plausible
“evidence” that he/she had been illegally present in the United
States since June 1, 2006, would get amnesty and be put on the
path to US citizenship.


In exchange for the highest honor our country has to bestow,
the illegal alien would have to pay $2,000, pass a criminal record
check, pay at least some of any income taxes he/she had chosen
not to pay while working illegally, and learn some English. The
already overburdened and error-prone U.S. Citizenship and
Immigration Services (USCIS) would be responsible for ensuring
that applicants meet these criteria and for handing out temporary
visas and work permits to 2-plus million illegal aliens.


After the no-longer‐illegal aliens had been in temporary status
for six years, USCIS would issue green cards to those who had
learned passable English and, in the case of some heads of
household, had traveled outside the United States (to any other
country, not necessarily their own) for a short time. Single heads
of household, children, the elderly, business owners, and those in
the military would be exempt from the travel requirement. (Any
criminals and terrorists whose fingerprints were not yet on file with
the FBI would then have official documents in whateve name they
chose to provide USCIS during the first phase of the amnesty.)


Lest any illegals be left out of the general amnesty, the
bill includes two others for which they could qualify: the AgJOBS
amnesty for those claiming to have performed agricultural work in
the United States (the fraud rate for a similar amnesty in 1986 is
estimated at 70% and resulted in at least one of the 1993 World
Trade Center bombers getting a green card, which he used to fly
to Afghanistan for terrorist training) and the DREAM Act amnesty for
those who received a US taxpayer-funded high school diploma or an equivalent.


To ensure a constant flow of cheap labor into the United
States, the bill would create a worker importation program for an
additional 400,000 foreign “guest” workers each year, all of whom
would be given the choice to stay permanently, as long as they
weren’t caught committing a crime or terrorist act before they applied. DHS would have to certify that it is capable of verifying
workers’ legal status before this new program could take effect.


As a bone to lawmakers who believe that the laws they pass should actually be enforced, the bill would mandate that all employers eventually verify the legal status of their workforce and it would increase penalties for those who fail to do so. It would also authorize an increase in the number of border enforcement
personnel and in enforcement technology.


Finally, as icing on this rich enforcement cake, the bill would create a “North American security perimeter” that would establish Mexico as our first—and only—line of defense against any security threat from the south.

You should have no problem finding a reason why you feel strongly about opposing any of these points in the bill.

THANKS,

-- ROY

P.S. Do NOT assume that because your U.S. Representative acted against amnesty last year that they will do it again this year.

We have confidential information about several Members who have voted with us in the past but who are calculating ways to push through almost any kind of compromise between regulation and open border.

Please today, make sure your Congressman and staff are fully aware of where constituents stand on these newest ideas about an amnesty.
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:26 PM
 
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Good Post...I'm on it...
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Old 03-22-2007, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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I searched CNN, FoxNews, and the ABC website - not one word about this 'bill' that will be voted on today. It is probably one of many internet hoaxes circulating about this 'amnesty bill'.

Unless you are one of those 'conspiracy theorists' and think that it is purposely not being reported you would have to ask yourself - why should I believe this email? Does the language sound credible? Is it from a reliable, non-partisan source?

Don't believe those 'add 10 inches' emails either!
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:36 AM
 
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add 10 inches to what? haha j/k
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Irving. TX
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Originally Posted by HappyandMarried View Post
I searched CNN, FoxNews, and the ABC website - not one word about this 'bill' that will be voted on today. It is probably one of many internet hoaxes circulating about this 'amnesty bill'.

Unless you are one of those 'conspiracy theorists' and think that it is purposely not being reported you would have to ask yourself - why should I believe this email? Does the language sound credible? Is it from a reliable, non-partisan source?

Don't believe those 'add 10 inches' emails either!
Let him keep believing it!
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:35 PM
 
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Default they always do this....

They always do these things without the public finding out until after its done so it is not a hoax. I have said on other posts that they will pass this since it would contradict the REAL ID act. They like to keep things like this as quite as possible.

Also not from their amnesty bill:

"the illegal alien would have to pay $2,000, pass a criminal record
check, pay at least some of any income taxes he/she had chosen
not to pay while working illegally, "

Really when do American citizens get to pay "some" of the taxes that they should have been paying...never!

Our government is selling us out
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Originally Posted by HappyandMarried View Post
I searched CNN, FoxNews, and the ABC website - not one word about this 'bill' that will be voted on today. It is probably one of many internet hoaxes circulating about this 'amnesty bill'.

Unless you are one of those 'conspiracy theorists' and think that it is purposely not being reported you would have to ask yourself - why should I believe this email? Does the language sound credible? Is it from a reliable, non-partisan source?

Don't believe those 'add 10 inches' emails either!


I don't think it's a internet hoax. Just for the record I don't have to worry about adding 10 inches.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-immig21mar21%2C0%2C593606.story?coll=la-home-headlines (broken link)
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Old 03-22-2007, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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I don't think it's a internet hoax.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-immig21mar21%2C0%2C593606.story?coll=la-home-headlines (broken link)
Uh, yea - did you bother to read the article you site -

One measure would ensure that tough border security and work-site enforcement standards are met before other changes can go forward. Another would require illegal immigrants eligible for citizenship under the bill to leave the country and return legally.

Doesn't sound like 'amnesty' to me. Nor does it even come close to this paragraph in the email -

"Every illegal alien who could produce marginally plausible
“evidence” that he/she had been illegally present in the United
States since June 1, 2006, would get amnesty and be put on the
path to US citizenship."


Like I said - HOAX
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Originally Posted by ducter View Post
They always do these things without the public finding out until after its done so it is not a hoax. I have said on other posts that they will pass this since it would contradict the REAL ID act. They like to keep things like this as quite as possible.

Also not from their amnesty bill:

"the illegal alien would have to pay $2,000, pass a criminal record
check, pay at least some of any income taxes he/she had chosen
not to pay while working illegally, "

Really when do American citizens get to pay "some" of the taxes that they should have been paying...never!

Our government is selling us out


ducter, some of these people can't see beyond the end of their nose....they have no idea what our government is doing.
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:55 PM
 
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Default not a hoax

"illegal immigrants eligible for citizenship"


I guess maybe next we will make sex offenders 1st grade teachers....
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